CABAL said:Due to its current stage of development, I believe that China is not suitable for democracy yet because of the sheer size of the nation, the 1.5 billion people, and the 55 minority groups in the nation. However China should continue its efforts to establish a stable Republic by allowing some non-communist party officials into its legislation council, which have been already beginning to doing so. As the older Generation of Chinese law makers retire, the communist party will not remain as the dominant party as the new generation support reformist policies such as the right to private property. By then if China becomes fully developed, then democracy can start thriving at large.
Currently or even the future, China is far far away from being Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany is a racist leadership and forming this type of comparison is in complete ignorance to the reality of what the Nazi regime was all about. The topic is very misleading and incorrect.
Hitler was a racist and insane man. Facsist. Expansionist. Imperial. His policies created the most horrifying death factories, killing human beings at high effeciency. Allied himself with other agressive nations such as Japan and Italy that conquered fragmented and weak nations. An evil cult. Genocide. War World. And above all else...Racism.
CABAL said:A one party system does not necessarily mean a dictatorship although it has been strongly associated to it."
bulldogg said:Fear of foreigners (gwei lao),
Hatred of the Japanese,
Hatred Of the Japanese,
Hatred of the Japanese,
Hatred of Capitalists (Opium Wars, Boxer Rebellion, various other real and perceived slights to the ego of China),
the Instability of all the Nationalist Governments and Dynastic Governments.
Ollie Garchy said:Response:
(1) China is "not suitable for democracy": Of course it is not. It is an empire that spans countless languages and cultures. It is an empire without any democratic traditions whatsoever. The Chinese culture did not experience the "Enlightenment" and has no understanding of western traditions or experiences. What we do know of China is frightening. We know that the Chinese government only shows contempt for North America and Europe. The policymakers exhibit a TOTAL lack of concern for international law and steal patents, etc.
that has shown your lack of understanding of chinese culture, we are confucious society which put more emphasis on harmony and personal relationship, what make you think everyone should go through enlightenment in order to be suitable for democracy, by the way what's your definition of democracy, let's take usa for example, the black people constitute almost half of its population, did black n' colored people being elected once as president or even being nominated as presidential candidate. even worse, most of black were on low paying job, is this what you mean by democracy or your definition of democracy. I hope not.
(2) China is not Nazi-Germany. I agree. It is far far worse. Not only is China's murder record far higher than that of Hitler,
a) A massive environmental breakdown and an energy crisis over the shortterm
b) Economic breakdown by undercutting competition through what amounts to the brutal application of slavery
c) The threat of world war as China grasps for more control of global energy reserves and expands and develops its military
Chinese "success" is built on domestic slavery, environmental insanity, and an immature and evil political system that offers nothing but the party line and ultimately tears. Sounds a lot more like Hitler than most people would like to believe.
that's just like someone are trying to stab you to death while you were asleep. by some chance, you survived and severely wounded, are you goign to let him slip away without properly apolizgized and compensated. is this what you have in your mind.bulldogg said:But why can't China move on, ignore them and not dwell on it. Achinese, I am of the opinion the CCP is using this a something for the Chinese people to focus on so they will not turn their attention to domestic problems. What's your opinion?
what i am saying is that democracy is not feasible and total equality is just some paper work. harmony and better life would be a more reasonable approach for chinese.bulldogg said:You are comparing apples and oranges. Achinese its dangerous for you to talk about the conditions and social issues inside the USA if you have never been there in person. I and some others talk about places we have lived or are living.
I could easily refute your criticism of the USA and its treatment of blacks by taking your statements and substituting Tibetan for Black and China for USA. Its better to approach this intellectually rather than emotionally.
And before I go I just wanted to say goodbye in case I dont get a chance later.
bulldogg said:Move on.
We did it with Japan after WWII.
We did it with China after the Korean War.
All of Europe did it with Germany and Italy.
Do you deny that the central government is using this issue to distract the common people from domestic problems and the growing unrest within China?
Ollie Garchy said:Response:
(1) China is "not suitable for democracy": Of course it is not. It is an empire that spans countless languages and cultures. It is an empire without any democratic traditions whatsoever. The Chinese culture did not experience the "Enlightenment" and has no understanding of western traditions or experiences. What we do know of China is frightening. We know that the Chinese government only shows contempt for North America and Europe. The policymakers exhibit a TOTAL lack of concern for international law and steal patents, etc.
(2) China is not Nazi-Germany. I agree. It is far far worse. Not only is China's murder record far higher than that of Hitler, with all the attributes of genocide and ethnic cleansing, but that state is currently aggressive whereas Hitler's regime no longer exists. The current Chinese government has provoked wars with Vietnam or India, has annexed countries like Tibet, rattles the sabre and threatens Taiwan with invasion, constantly threatens the United States and European countries, is engaged in a systematic attack on global trade patterns, and is DESTROYING the planet with a primitive industrialization program that makes Manchester Capitalism look environmentally friendly.
(3) Nazism was an "evil cult". Well, I suggest that you read a little more about communism. Another "evil cult"....except that the Chinese variant offers the world an exciting future. Here are some of the wonderful things that the current Chinese government offers the world:
a) A massive environmental breakdown and an energy crisis over the shortterm
b) Economic breakdown by undercutting competition through what amounts to the brutal application of slavery
c) The threat of world war as China grasps for more control of global energy reserves and expands and develops its military
Chinese "success" is built on domestic slavery, environmental insanity, and an immature and evil political system that offers nothing but the party line and ultimately tears. Sounds a lot more like Hitler than most people would like to believe.
. i think you are wrong .it is true that we did not not experienced them ,but I think we know them although we can not know about them thoroughly.has no understanding of western traditions or experiences.
I think your purpose of this word is that you want to worse the realitionships of sino—usa and sino-europe.i want to ask you :: are you a gentleman? Do you love peace?do you have your religion?do you know that the MIGHTY told us all the people should treat others friendly?do you know this ?then let us assume that what you said is right,let we assume that we do showed contempt for North America and Europe,but do you think you are righteous the time you said that? What you are concerning is the interest of yours . Hitler was showed contempt ,I think that Hitler may also said that “THAT BAD GUYS ,AND THAT BAD GUYS”. Let we assume your words are right, then I think it will be ok for you to give out THE FACT…….subjective words are not welcome and not convictive but mere shows you’re your prejudice . so please out first-habd materials.We know that the Chinese government only shows contempt for North America and Europe.
This is mere a sentense without any sense.senseless words.The policymakers exhibit a TOTAL lack of concern for international law and steal patents, etc.
I need you proof to prove your subjective judgement. In fact your are making a crime by your slander.Not only is China's murder record far higher than that of Hitler, with all the attributes of genocide and ethnic cleansing, but that state is currently aggressive whereas Hitler's regime no longer exists.
I think both usa and eu are still threatening china. Do you know that it is a fact ? do you think you are a justice man while you said this word? What you are really concerning is the interest of yours ,but you do not want to pursue you interest frankly, you just want to pursue your interest with several coats such as:constantly threatens the United States and European countries,
I do not know the meaning of this sentence. My English skills are limited.b) Economic breakdown by b) Economic breakdown by undercutting competition through what amounts to the brutal application of slavery
ting competition through what amounts to the brutal application of slavery
Some countries are built on colonize,killing the people living in their hometown,conguering the other countries,robbing the treasures of others.Chinese "success" is built on domestic slavery, environmental insanity, and an immature and evil political system that offers nothing but the party line and ultimately tears. Sounds a lot more like Hitler than most people would like to believe.
the time i read these words i laughed.bulldogg said:Fear of foreigners (gwei lao),
Hatred of the Japanese,
Hatred Of the Japanese,
Hatred of the Japanese,
Hatred of Capitalists (Opium Wars, Boxer Rebellion, various other real and perceived slights to the ego of China),
the Instability of all the Nationalist Governments and Dynastic Governments.
i agree this in a sense.bulldogg said:But why can't China move on, ignore them and not dwell on it. Achinese, I am of the opinion the CCP is using this a something for the Chinese people to focus on so they will not turn their attention to domestic problems. What's your opinion?
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