Disgusting isn't it? ......

Chief Bones

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This ought to upset everybody ….

Below are the actual voting records of eighteen Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

U S Foreign Aid to four of those countries that hate (or) dislike us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States and receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States and receives $143,699,000 annually.


These four countries alone account for over $2,343,234,000 annually, and are not the only countries from the list that receive foreign aid from the United States. Low estimates of the total foreign aid runs in excess of $140 billion annually. Keep in mind that these are the LOW estimates of aid ... nobody can give a concrete figure.

What makes it very difficult to come up with a concrete figure, is the fact that much of the aid is buried in department budgets other than the State Department’s. Things like some of the military aid (weapons, etc), are buried in the Department of Defense budgets, etc. Some estimates run as high as $400 billion annually … nobody can give an exact figure because of the convoluted budgets in the various departments that contribute to the total.

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes (and buy Middle Eastern gasoline).

Pass this along to every taxpaying citizen you know.

Disgusting isn't it?
 
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So you equate aid to buying vote?

Perhaps you should look at it from another angle.

Egypt and Jordan - Probably two of the most stable middle eastern countries.
India - Neither Middle Eastern nor Muslim/Islamic and one of the most unassuming nations in the world today.
Pakistan - Arent they a "pivotal" allie in the "war on terror", basically if you want to base troops there and expect them to assist you then you get to pay for it.

Just to be even more blunt do you have the stats for Israel?
How many times has the US voted against Israel and vice versa because incase you havent noticed it Israel and the Arab/Muslim/Islamic world dont tend to see eye to eye on many things.
 
So you equate aid to buying vote?

It would be nice. But no, regardless of what we do they will still hate us. Screw em, thats a 170billion dollars we can use to build walls and help out people that I dunno. Dont hate us.
 
I equate people that don’t like us, yet we give them tons of money while our veterans that fought for us to be able to give them said money sleep under a bridge at night...

Furthermore I say we start cutting aide to all countries and start aiding our own country...This does two things sends a message and helps us domestic :)
 
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Yeah, imagine that. More countries would have to rely on themselves and other countries. They wouldn't be able to use the funds we save them to use in other perhaps "questionable" areas.
 
I see this as one of the aspects of the US where it is just plain dumb. Why are they giving aid to nations that surround the world's largest reserves of oil?! Why do they give free money to nations that are not exactly their allies?! *sigh* boggles the mind...
 
This is interesting I forwarded this to a ton of people and for the first time I have been getting a lot of feedback...Which I find interesting since most the time you forward something and no one says anything ya know...

The biggest problem though is the news media. See thanks to the internet I have been able to talk to hundreds upon hundreds of people from all over the world and most of those people do not hate us like the nightly news would like you to think. Most of them love the US and are glad we are doing what we are doing, it is their governments that don't like us and for good reason. We give their people hope and in turn that might mess up their governments whole enslave the population-make them live in crap-while we lounge around the palace ideology, think warlords and dictators for example.


Then again who knows this world is crazy.....
 
Actually out of interest I noticed there is no source for those statistics and the wording seems a little directed to me so before you all start shipping these "facts" to your email lists is there a reputable source?
 
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Well if you included private donations (non-government) it might even surpass 170 billion (just form things I have read)...

However it also stated that it would be hard to find these figures....hmmmmm

But I wouldn't doubt it, I while back I was browsing the web of other countries news paper sites and well I stumbled upon this one country I didn’t even knew existed and the headline was talking about how they where trying to get more money form the US...I was like wtf I didn’t even know they existed (it was a way off the wall country) and we give them how many millions....

I look at my paycheck and see the taxes getting taken out and it just saddens me...I mean it is a lot and everyone else has a lot taken out I'm of the belief we really don’t have a deficit (which, I know, is open to interpretation).... I’m just sick of paying over a thousand dollars a month in taxes and then seeing able bodied people on the news demanding more welfare!!!!

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That does look like where they took a lot of the info from
 
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Rabs said:
The highest number i can find is 13.3 billion and thats from a pretty source also appears to be the start of this "e-mail".

http://www.fortliberty.org/patriotic-humor/foreign-aid.shtml

So the 170 billion number in my opinion is total bull.


See one of the things that leads me to believe it is inaccurate is the persistence that India is an arab/islamic nation that "hates" the USA. On the whole I struggle to take any web site with the name "patriotic humor" too seriously, my guess is that these statistics are perhaps another one for snopes to deal with.
 
MontyB said:
See one of the things that leads me to believe it is inaccurate is the persistence that India is an arab/islamic nation that "hates" the USA. On the whole I struggle to take any web site with the name "patriotic humor" too seriously, my guess is that these statistics are perhaps another one for snopes to deal with.
So you dont think the US gives the most aide????

Funny hasnt this been brought up and dicussed by the world before?????

Dont get me wrong Im not trying to have a my country is better than yours thing here....
 
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Donkey said:
So you dont think the US gives the most aide????

Funny hasnt this been brought up and dicussed by the world before?????

Dont get me wrong Im not trying to have a my country is better than yours thing here....

In actual dollar terms yes I do think the US gives the most aid which should not be unexpected as it is the richest country, however I think on a per-capita and as a percentage of GDP then things may change as I know a lot of European nations and Australia are pretty high up there as well.

However this really isnt the argument as what I am questioning is the validity of the information in terms of its percentages and amounts, also given its wording and the odd inconsistency in its data I really am left with the view that it is more about "Stirring up an anti-foreign patriotism" than accuracy.

Unfortunately far too many people seem willing to jump onto the "they disagree with us therefore they hate us" bandwagon and this just seems like a continuation of that.
 
Yes the original topic is mostly dealing with the UN and countries that the US gives substantial aide to voting against the US.... Which is well interesting, not so much that they vote against the US but that the US still gives them money even though they are not in agreement, lot to be said about that right there...

On a governmental level, the US may not be the highest monetarily, however publicly they def. are... I mean the Bill and Melinda Gates Fund alone gives out somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 billion dollars annually....

However what the US gov. gives in non-monetary aide is def. up there as well, with the amount of food, water, construction services (Navy people should know a lot about that), and general equipment for times of need...
 
Rabs said:
It would be nice. But no, regardless of what we do they will still hate us. Screw em, thats a 170billion dollars we can use to build walls and help out people that I dunno. Dont hate us.

Patience Rabs. Moses had patience!!!

Chief Bones said:
This ought to upset everybody ….

Below are the actual voting records of eighteen Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

U S Foreign Aid to four of those countries that hate (or) dislike us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States and receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States and receives $143,699,000 annually.


These four countries alone account for over $2,343,234,000 annually, and are not the only countries from the list that receive foreign aid from the United States. Low estimates of the total foreign aid runs in excess of $140 billion annually. Keep in mind that these are the LOW estimates of aid ... nobody can give a concrete figure.

What makes it very difficult to come up with a concrete figure, is the fact that much of the aid is buried in department budgets other than the State Department’s. Things like some of the military aid (weapons, etc), are buried in the Department of Defense budgets, etc. Some estimates run as high as $400 billion annually … nobody can give an exact figure because of the convoluted budgets in the various departments that contribute to the total.

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes (and buy Middle Eastern gasoline).

Pass this along to every taxpaying citizen you know.

Disgusting isn't it?

If we go along with your suggestion, US interests and investments might come under pressure.
 
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Patience Rabs. Moses had patience!!!

Yeh, im out of patience. Look what the Marshall plan got us. A bunch of stinking socialist that think there better than us. Woot woot.


We destroyed Germany and Japan why isnt a US flag flying over them?
 
Rabs said:
Yeh, im out of patience. Look what the Marshall plan got us. A bunch of stinking socialist that think there better than us. Woot woot.


We destroyed Germany and Japan why isnt a US flag flying over them?

Damn good thing Stalin was a moderate then or the Russian flag would be flying over a large chunk of Europe still.

PS I think you will find that the "We" you refer to was more than just the USA.
 
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