whats done is done and the 'murders' will be free-sad but true.Imagine if it was a group of rag heads that did this to a US family??

Originally Posted by senojekips

You should be thankful for the protection that the law gives you, because I strongly suspect that the only reason you have survived as long as you have, is because it's illegal to put you out of your misery.

So resorting to personal attacks now? I'm glad I backed out of this thread.

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

So resorting to personal attacks now? I'm glad I backed out of this thread.

Backed out, or too ashamed to show your face?

You see, where I come from, we have no time for armed adults who senselessly murder women and children in cold blood, and even less respect for those who try to cover up for them.

You might take a page out of our book,...

Originally Posted by senojekips

Backed out, or too ashamed to show your face?

You see, where I come from, we have no time for armed adults who senselessly murder women and children in cold blood, and even less respect for those who try to cover up for them.

You might take a page out of our book,...

Excuse me? Christ Almighty what happened to "civilized" debate? For a man of your age, I expected some more maturity. I'm done here.

You sit here on your high horse behind a computer screen and insult our troops when you have NO idea what they've been through nor any idea what urban warfare is like. Walk even a meter in their boots THEN come back here and insult me.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9-WkZNwEA"]WAR CRIMES - [Music Video] by SGT DUNSON "HD" - YouTube[/ame]

^ That is an OIF Veteran telling the truth about how it is for veterans because of people like YOU.

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

Excuse me? Christ Almighty what happened to "civilized" debate? For a man of your age, I expected some more maturity. I'm done here.

You sit here on your high horse behind a computer screen and insult our troops when you have NO idea what they've been through nor any idea what urban warfare is like. Walk even a meter in their boots THEN come back here and insult me.
That is an OIF Veteran telling the truth about how it is for veterans because of people like YOU.

So you feel that the Geneva conventions only apply to others? That explains everything,

Yep,... you get get all miffed, and stamp your little foot,... but you still haven't shown a single reason why anything that I've said is not 100% correct.

If it happened in the USA you'd be baying for blood, anyone's blood, but someone else? Pffft, our murderers are different. Next you'll be whining about why the rest of the world has no respect for US armed forces. It's not so much what's been done, as idiots like you who try to excuse it for whatever reason.

Hah!, you blubber about maturity,.... Maturity is taking your licks, and moving on to see that it doesn't happen again. Not making excuses.

Originally Posted by senojekips

So you feel that the Geneva conventions only apply to others? That explains everything,

Yep,... you get get all miffed, and stamp your little foot,... but you still haven't shown a single reason why anything that I've said is not 100% correct.

If it happened in the USA you'd be baying for blood, anyone's blood, but someone else? Pffft, our murderers are different. Next you'll be whining about why the rest of the world has no respect for US armed forces. It's not so much what's been done, as idiots like you who try to excuse it for whatever reason.

Hah!, you blubber about maturity,.... Maturity is taking your licks, and moving on to see that it doesn't happen again. Not making excuses.

I have offered the same reason over and over. I support the men and women who volunteer to BLEED, FIGHT, and DIE for us.

They didn't have to go to war. They didn't have to get shot at, They didn't have to kill, They didn't have to watch their best friends die in front of them, They didn't have to come home with PTSD, They didn't have to deal with people like you, but they VOLUNTEERED to do it, because they are BETTER than the likes of you, even if they committed a crime.

Politicians send them to die, It isn't their fault, then they come back to s***bags like you who condemn them because they don't fit into your delusions of grandeur about war. You know absolutely nothing about war. People like brinktk, 42RM, and Der Alte shouldn't have to sit here and listen to you blubber about something you have never truly experienced.

You don't have to agree with me, but why don't you learn to accept the fact that others have a different P.O.V. and NOT personally attack them for it.

If you can't understand that, then this is as much a waste of my time as it is arguing with some flamboyant marijuana addicted hippie in the streets of San Francisco.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iNecYn1TOQ"]Lets Be Real Soulja Boy diss Soldiers says F*** the F.B.I and F*** All The Army Troops - YouTube[/ame]


^ All you would be is no better than this S.O.B. in my eyes, and the eyes of many others who have served.

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

I have offered the same reason over and over. I support the men and women who volunteer to BLEED, FIGHT, and DIE for us.

They didn't have to go to war. They didn't have to get shot at, They didn't have to kill, They didn't have to watch their best friends die in front of them, They didn't have to come home with PTSD, They didn't have to deal with people like you, but they VOLUNTEERED to do it, because they are BETTER than the likes of you, even if they committed a crime.

Politicians send them to die, It isn't their fault, then they come back to s***bags like you who condemn them because they don't fit into your delusions of grandeur about war. You know absolutely nothing about war. People like brinktk, 42RM, and Der Alte shouldn't have to sit here and listen to you blubber about something you have never truly experienced.

You don't have to agree with me, but why don't you learn to accept the fact that others have a different P.O.V. and NOT personally attack them for it.

If you can't understand that, then this is as much a waste of my time as it is arguing with some flamboyant marijuana addicted hippie in the streets of San Francisco.

I think that most of us on this site have volunteered to fight for our countries. But nowhere in my sign up paperwork was there a clause that stated it was OK to deliberately murder civilians in cold blood.

If you sign up you do as you are told that is a given, but you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, and if you want to start calling people sh!tbags for obeying and upholding the International conventions on warfare. You want to take a long look in the mirror.

The persons responsible for this don't deserve respect like the remaining 99%+ of troops who can do their jobs and not resort to murder of innocent women and children. It's the 99% who need the support.

You talk about supporting your service personel, well,... it people like you who destroy their credibility. This was not a single man who snapped, it was a cold blooded deliberate atrocity. I"ll bet the Fort Hood murderer will get more than 3 months. Short memories eh?

As I said earlier if it were excusable there wouldn't be Laws against it. And you still haven't shown where I'm wrong.

i wonder if you think the Germans that killed innocent non combatant Jews should have been tried and convicted?
I appreciate the horrors young men and woman go into and that when they see their friends killed ones actions may not be normal but where does one draw the line and did these guys cross that line in killing this family ? I believe they did given what I know !
After saying that I will also state I am "very Pro USA forces " and if there is a side to be on I am on there side!!!

Originally Posted by senojekips

I think that most of us on this site have volunteered to fight for our countries. But nowhere in my sign up paperwork was there a clause that stated it was OK to deliberately murder civilians in cold blood.

If you sign up you do as you are told that is a given, but you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, and if you want to start calling people sh!tbags for obeying and upholding the International conventions on warfare. You want to take a long look in the mirror.

The persons responsible for this don't deserve respect like the remaining 99%+ of troops who can do their jobs and not resort to murder of innocent women and children. It's the 99% who need the support.

You talk about supporting your service personel, well,... it people like you who destroy their credibility. This was not a single man who snapped, it was a cold blooded deliberate atrocity

As I said earlier if it were excusable there wouldn't be Laws against it. And you still haven't shown where I'm wrong.

You are indeed correct I have not shown you where you are wrong. The people who experienced war already have. Why don't you scroll back and look at what brinktk and 42RM have said? Their words carry more weight then mine seeing as they have seen it.

Originally Posted by che

i wonder if you think the Germans that killed innocent non combatant Jews should have been tried and convicted?
I appreciate the horrors young men and woman go into and that when they see their friends killed ones actions may not be normal but where does one draw the line and did these guys cross that line in killing this family ? I believe they did given what I know !
After saying that I will also state I am "very Pro USA forces " and if there is a side to be on I am on there side!!!

They are our allies, so of course we support them, but that does not mean we should support those among them who break every rule in the book and who bring enormous discredit upon all service personel, not to mention the great contribution they have made to the Al Quaeda recruiting drive.