Discipline is important of course, overall and in general, however, as individual troops show a high level of self discipline, where they take the initiative and do things that need to be done without being told to do them, they ought to be sort of graduated into a more apppropriate level for them. The fart fart games doing unnecessary discipline type stuff destroys morale IMHO, especially if people are involved that have to play the games who are well disciplined themselves. It's not like the squared away guys are authorized to kill the idiots that keep screwing up. In the beginning of a troopies time in, it might be ok, but after the individual has proven himself, they should no longer be a part of the unit being punished for idiots that screw up. When they punish the whole unit for one, two or three guys screwing up, to me that seems to be encouraging violence against the retards. Another mistake I remember is drill being relied on way too much as the tool for teaching and instilling discipline. Their is no such thing as a one tool fix all for anything human related. We are all different and we learn different. Other things would work better for some folks than marching. Very frustrating sometimes with how stupid the system seemed sometimes to me.