The disarming of America

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Article published Wednesday, April 25, 2007
The disarming of America

LAST week's tragedy at Virginia Tech in which a mentally disturbed person gunned down 32 of America's finest - intelligent young people with futures ahead of them - once again puts the phenomenon of an armed society into focus for Americans.

The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million in a population of about 300 million. What was clear last week is that at least two of those guns were in the wrong hands.

When people talk about doing something about guns in America, it often comes down to this: "How could America disarm even if it wanted to? There are so many guns out there."

Because I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with the "how." And before anyone starts to hyperventilate and think I'm a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take his gun from his cold, dead hands, let me share my experience of guns.

As a child I played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. I had a Daisy Red Ryder B-B gun. My father had in his bedside table drawer an old pistol which I examined surreptitiously from time to time. When assigned to the American embassy in Beirut during the war in Lebanon, I sometimes carried a .357 Magnum, which I could fire accurately. I also learned to handle and fire a variety of weapons while I was there, including Uzis and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

I don't have any problem with hunting, although blowing away animals with high-powered weapons seems a pointless, no-contest affair to me. I suppose I would enjoy the fellowship of the experience with other friends who are hunters.

Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty.

Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest. When hunters submit a request for their weapons, federal, state, and local checks would be made to establish that they had not been convicted of a violent crime since the last time they withdrew their weapons. In the process, arsenal staff would take at least a quick look at each hunter to try to affirm that he was not obviously unhinged.

It would have to be the case that the term "hunting weapon" did not include anti-tank ordnance, assault weapons, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, or other weapons of war.

All antique or interesting non-hunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections.

Gun dealers could continue their work, selling hunting and antique firearms. They would be required to maintain very tight inventories. Any gun sold would be delivered immediately by the dealer to the nearest arsenal or the museum, not to the buyer.

The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

The "gun lobby" would no doubt try to head off in the courts the new laws and the actions to implement them. They might succeed in doing so, although the new approach would undoubtedly prompt new, vigorous debate on the subject. In any case, some jurisdictions would undoubtedly take the opportunity of the chronic slowness of the courts to begin implementing the new approach.

America's long land and sea borders present another kind of problem. It is easy to imagine mega-gun dealerships installing themselves in Mexico, and perhaps in more remote parts of the Canadian border area, to funnel guns into the United States. That would constitute a problem for American immigration authorities and the U.S. Coast Guard, but not an insurmountable one over time.

There could conceivably also be a rash of score-settling during hunting season as people drew out their weapons, ostensibly to shoot squirrels and deer, and began eliminating various of their perceived two-footed enemies. Given the general nature of hunting weapons and the fact that such killings are frequently time-sensitive, that seems a lesser sort of issue.

That is my idea of how it could be done. The desire to do so on the part of the American people is another question altogether, but one clearly raised again by the Blacksburg tragedy.

Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat, is a member of the editorial boards of The Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...310/-1/OPINION
What a :cens: sack of communist crap........
 
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Won't ever happen in our lifetime...

They would have to repeal so many laws and rights just to allow them the "search and seizure" aspect let alone the other points he talks about.
 
Won't ever happen in our lifetime...

They would have to repeal so many laws and rights just to allow them the "search and seizure" aspect let alone the other points he talks about.

It wont happen in anyones lifetime, at the very worst I could see a licensing (long term) system and more stringent checking of people seeking to buy a weapon (short term).


It would seem that both sides of this argument are still determined to use scare tactics to make their point.
 
I wonder how many of those 240,000,000 would be used to kill those "specially trained" police? I know mine would be! This is like some conspiracy material.
 
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That person needs to leave my country as soon as possible...

Talk about a moron....WTF happed to Darwin's theory???

Ok and his whole idea about being able to stop illegal guns from flowing into the country, they cant do it now... This guy is an idiot
 
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Let's hire hitman to shut that guy up. :biggun:

Plus, I agree with Marinerhodes, not in our lifetime.
 
I find it strange that he thinks that police and military will support this or something like it. I sure know as hell a ton of police and military that would either turn in their badges and uniforms and become criminals or would simply turn on and frag their officers that ordered them to go against the US Constitution and the rights of the people.

This idiot took an oath to defend and uphold the rights given to the people of the United States of America by the Constitution. He has just gone against that oath.
 
ok...since when can police search w/o a warrant?

not to mention, if i had a gun and some ****er broke in to seach for guns, i would show him mine and give him an option-get out of my home or have his face blown away
and are they suggesting they can just take away very valuble antiques w/o buying them from the owner?
who is gonna just hand over a classic working firearm?

people are retarded

oh, and what happened to the right to bear arms?
that alone would spark a massive revolt against the government, resulting in the deaths of thousands
 
I believe he was commenting on the Communist countries' policies, not their lofty and pretty well unattainable ideals.
That doesn't make any sense. What policy? What country? This is a domestic issue, a hotly debated topic discussed in the United States. Communism....completely irrelevant to this particular topic. Its like saying a planned economy/equal class system can infringe citizen rights to bear arms.
 
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Every single communist nation on Earth has restricted civilian ownership of firearms. Cuba, China, the USSR, North Korea, Poland, East Germany, etc.......
 
I live in a country with barely 5 million people and we have one of the highest weapons densities in the word pr citizen, but the traffic kills more people than a gun and a knife.

Many of my friends and myself included grew up with direct access to 12" shot guns, MP5s, G3s, Glocks and other hand guns and rifles since our parents was either military personell, National Guard personell or adults with interest of hunting, with weapons and ammunition at home the respect for guns and ammunition was learned.

Banning guns, and using guns, do not solve any problems, knowlegde and correct weapons handling do.
 
I live in a country with barely 5 million people and we have one of the highest weapons densities in the word pr citizen, but the traffic kills more people than a gun and a knife.

Many of my friends and myself included grew up with direct access to 12" shot guns, MP5s, G3s, Glocks and other hand guns and rifles since our parents was either military personell, National Guard personell or adults with interest of hunting, with weapons and ammunition at home the respect for guns and ammunition was learned.

Banning guns, and using guns, do not solve any problems, knowlegde and correct weapons handling do.

I agree but I have one question how easy is it for you to procure a gun?

New Zealand being predominantly rural means we grow up with guns, however the checks and balances in place to get a firearm mean that it is much harder (not impossible) for your average nut job to get their hands on one.
 
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If you have a criminal record, it is very hard to obtain a permission, obviously.

For shotguns and .22 you may obtain a weapon by delivering a simple form at the police station and a tick in the "Hunting Purpose" section. No further questions asked. For pistols and revolvers you must have been an active member of a pistol club for at least 6 months and completed the safty lectures before applying. For 7.62 or 5.56 rifles you can apply through your rifle organization or complete and passed a 30 hours hunting lecture if that is your purpose.

Automatic and Semi-Automatic rifles are very hard to obtain unless you are a thrusted member of a rifle organization with such weapons, but certain safty and storage regulations apply.
 
Do the math less then 1 million police officers, about 5 million military personnel, 300 million citizens, 250 million weapons; his plan can not work regardless of the obvious violations of the constitution.
 
If you have a criminal record, it is very hard to obtain a permission, obviously.

For shotguns and .22 you may obtain a weapon by delivering a simple form at the police station and a tick in the "Hunting Purpose" section. No further questions asked. For pistols and revolvers you must have been an active member of a pistol club for at least 6 months and completed the safty lectures before applying. For 7.62 or 5.56 rifles you can apply through your rifle organization or complete and passed a 30 hours hunting lecture if that is your purpose.

Automatic and Semi-Automatic rifles are very hard to obtain unless you are a thrusted member of a rifle organization with such weapons, but certain safty and storage regulations apply.

See I think this is where the differences lie in that there is a control between deciding that you want a gun and actually purchasing it that involves a serious third party check ie longer than a 20min phone call.
It is this check that in my opinion reduces the chances of nut jobs getting
getting hold of weapons.
 
See I think this is where the differences lie in that there is a control between deciding that you want a gun and actually purchasing it that involves a serious third party check ie longer than a 20min phone call.
It is this check that in my opinion reduces the chances of nut jobs getting
getting hold of weapons.

2 weeks is a lot longer than 20mins...

However in about an hour I could go into the city and get whatever I wanted...
 
See I think this is where the differences lie in that there is a control between deciding that you want a gun and actually purchasing it that involves a serious third party check ie longer than a 20min phone call.
It is this check that in my opinion reduces the chances of nut jobs getting
getting hold of weapons.

Florida has a five day waiting period for civilians, three day waiting period for military/police/fire personnel, and a zero day waiting period for someone with a Conceal Carry permit. For every pruchase of a firearm from a FFL, you must go through a background check call to FDLE.

If you do not have a CCW there is the waiting period. Even if you have a CCW, you still go through the criminal background check when ever you buy a firearm.

To get a Conceal Carry Permit, you must attend a class offered by a state certified firearms instructor, get your finger prints taken by your local police, and have FDLE (Florida's version of the FBI...FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT) perform a criminal background check.
 
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