eh, don't know much about that conflict, my mistake. I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by RnderSafe

Yes, um .. probably best to use another example, especially since the US were the ones that armed the tribes and lured the Russians into Afghanistan to begin with. Afterall, Russia was our enemy at the time.

This is a little off topic Sir, but, what should we have done during that? We were on the wrong side, but both sides were the wrong side . Should we have let them fight and destroy each other? That seems like the only concievable option to me.

Oh no that wasnt an option. the soviets would have taken over Afghanistan with less expenditures and our enemy would've taken advantage out of that.

you know theres something funny bout war.....When theres Hostility...War Leads to a victor...and also someone that loses. In one way it'll lead to peace (temporary at least) but the loser is bitter and it'll cause hatred. That'll lead to vengeance which will ruin the peace and perhaps later lead to war again, no matter how long it takes(sorta like WWI to WWII with germany). Its an ugly cycle and there will never be ever lasting peace. You gotta admint that government over there was just wrong. Maybe we arent the best to do it but who else was? after all the bullcrap is cleared with the dust with all the lies and stuff, in the end Saddamn wasnt even supposed to be there. He should've been out a long time ago. Maybe we're not going about all this the right way, but it isnt a simple thing. Some street folk are like still thinking that we're doing something bad to them but thats just ignorance(ignorance is bliss dont blame them for it). who knows how many decades It'll take to make that place okay

just dont complain when/if the usa gets overun some time.
if its alright to do it for iraq? where do you draw the line?


i know but the russians wouldn't off defeated the afghans

saddam killed thousands a year, and 60,000 more starved a year, i think we had the right, also saddam comitted acts of war on us alot, by attacking our airplanes in the no fly zone, he supported/hid/trained/funded terrorist.

No. Not without the blessing of the UN!!!!!! ( I guess this will make some people puke.)

The reasons for the US going to war in Iraq are still very mirky (to create a democratic domino effect in the Middle East ?) Creating some sort of democratic government in Iraq will be years away if ever. The country is very tribal like Afghanistan (remember that place!)

People cannot go on comparing Iraq with post war Germany and Japan. They were more homogenous societies than Iraq and we didn't have a choice about that war. I can't stop laughing when I see people using WW2 arguments as a great reason for the Iraq War.

Italian Guy please read "Conquerors Road" by Omar White.

Originally Posted by FutureRANGER

This is a little off topic Sir, but, what should we have done during that? We were on the wrong side, but both sides were the wrong side . Should we have let them fight and destroy each other? That seems like the only concievable option to me.

As I said, Russia was our enemy at the time. They were (in our perception) a far greater threat to us than anyone else, and giving them their own "Vietnam" would ensure a long lasting distraction. It worked, fairly well.

The US government perceived the Saddam Hussein regime as a definate threat because he was really in to the terrorist mentality because he used genocide to rule Iraq for several decades. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorist groups, whether it was the Palistinian suicide bombers families funded by Saddam or producing known chemical weapons and were working on biological/nuclear weapons, when we invaded. Saddam did not abide by any rules. He was buying weapons from China and shipped through Syria. He was attacking US aircraft. He was not cooperating with the UN inspectors and then he ordered them to leave the country. We could have arrested him for war crimes during the Persian Gulf War in 1991 but it was decided to give him another chance and he proved that he would only torture and kill more people. It is my opinion, that we would have had to take him out of the war sooner or later and sooner is better for the Iraqi people and I believe in the long run so will the American people. The unrest is not from the Iraqis but from the jihadists, mainly from Egypt and Sudan, and highly trained al' Quaida, who are providing the training for building improvised explosive devices and raiding techniques.