Death Squad Democracy - Page 3




View Poll Results :Are death squads ever justifiable?
Yes 8 42.11%
No 11 57.89%
Don't care because it isn't happening in my country. 0 0%
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Boots
 
July 7th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by bulldogg
It is not done openly in the sense of "Hi we're here to train your troops and by the way we are going to conduct an assessment of your fighting strength, capabilities and weaknesses in case we ever need to dismantle your butt." It is well known in the US but they dont announce it to the host countries receiving the training.
See 03's last post (read the "friggin'" post, eh?). The leadership of these countries are not necessarily stupid, and should in fact be quite capable of realizing this on their own.


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Noticeably absent from this conversation has been the protagonist of this thread. I really did want GtoACommo to elucidate his views especially since he said it was one shared by his friends, the Iraqis.


Unfortunately it is impossible to make another member post in a certain thread or to even notice that thread. In the future you will PM those members you would like to post in your threads before you place their name in that thread (I will not address the way it was mentioned in an effort to avoid being thought "oversensitive").
July 7th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
It is not done openly in the sense of "Hi we're here to train your troops and by the way we are going to conduct an assessment of your fighting strength, capabilities and weaknesses in case we ever need to dismantle your butt." It is well known in the US but they dont announce it to the host countries receiving the training.

The connections with the officers would be just human nature but they are assessed in a way that shows whether or not they could be turned. Who is a rising star and who is corrupt etc. Normal stuff that is done but you don't do it in a Dudley Do Right kinda way.
Do you really believe that? If you do then pray tell enlighten me on how you train/advise any Military Force if you don't know the following capabilties .

1. Fighting Strength.
2.Capabilties
3.Weakness'.
4. Level of training.

NCO's ,SNCO's and Officers in the US Military gauge the same thing in their units from fire team level up to Divisional level. You can't put together a training cycle if you don't have an idea of the training that is lacking.

Do you really believe that the US needs to send Advisors to "spy" on other Countries, (friendly) countries to gain knowledge of their Military and their Capabilties? Pick up a Janes book. Ask a Military or Naval Attache at an Embassy. Advisor's missions in this regard are limited.

IMO for this type of theory to have merit. It would mean that US Advisors just show up one day unannounced. It doesn't work like that.
July 8th, 2005  
bulldogg
 
 
You're right. I am wrong. It is all a bunch of horse dung I pulled in from the north quarter. Gee, how did I ever think I could know something that everyone else doesnt know. Its a shame that the best sources for this actual information are not authors but are mates of mine still in the service doing bloody IMET missions in Africa and the Middle East. Its a bloody shame others I know who told me the stories have died without committing it to print out of fear of reprisal. Not all truths in the world are contained in sources you can verify on the bloody internet or the ever-lovin library mates. We can't mention people's names except are own on here so... at this point, as I cannot provide you with verifiable evidence that you can peruse at your leisure, I will cease to discuss the matter further.

If you two want to continue to harrass me and hound my every post and ignore the common ground we do share in an effort to maintain your utter disdain for me so be it.

If you would like me to piss off then say just the damn word mates.
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July 8th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
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According to press accounts, the Pentagon is considering the organisation, training and equipping of so-called death squads, teams of Iraqi assassins who would be used to infiltrate and eliminate the leadership of the Iraqi resistance.
By using that definition I say yes. Would anyone complain if we had been successful in killing Saddam in the early hours of the war or if we had killed Osama 2002? No, is this really any different? Not to me. I classify the resistance as those who are using "terror tactics" to try and undermine the current government in Iraq (ie the bombing checkpoints not to kill soldiers but to kill the civilians waiting to pass through the check points and "aid the zionist". I also support the use of these "death squads" against those who would use mines to kill US soldiers. I intend to re-enlist after my knee surgery tomorrow and I do not kid myself, I will be going to Iraq so anything we can do now that will help make Iraq a safer and more stable place when I get there is fine by me. Even if it means killing the leaders of a resistance bent on using violence instead of voicing their opinions in government as they were given the opportunity to do so.
July 8th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
If you two want to continue to harrass me and hound my every post and ignore the common ground we do share in an effort to maintain your utter disdain for me so be it.
If you post on highly controversial subjests (which obviously myself and others often strongly disagree with your positions on), you should be expecting a heated debate to develop, I do not see how this is "harassment." If you feel that something is being done that is not kosher, please PM myself and/or Redleg and the issue will be addressed.



Good luck with that knee surgery Damien, hope it all turns out well.
July 8th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Sorry if you feel I'm harassing you. Not my intent. That being said I do not and will not believe the spin you are trying place on advisory missions.

1.Seems to me that you fail to acknowledge the fact that countries receiving Advisory aid enter into the relationship with an understanding of the training that will be provided to their Armed Forces.

2. The US forces Advisors and Military Aid on Friendly Nations.

3. That the US should assume all responsibility for the misuse of training by Goverments (other than our own) Simply because the US at some point in time provided the training.

4.That some how by providing aid to our Allies the US is perpetrating a Vast Conspiracy of Global Domination.


Sorry I don't buy it. And I won't give it lip service approval just because.

BTW not all of my information comes from the "internet or library"........Just ta let know.
July 8th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
I just know I'll be stoned into submission for this but....! If I was a small time dictator who wanted to form a crack killer unit, I wouldn't contact a US Special Ops force, I would hire the dirtiest, hardest, meanest, battle hardened mercenaries I could muster from a variety of Countries. Secrecy would be assured as these guys usually garrotte all wittenesses.
July 11th, 2005  
bulldogg
 
 
Ok, stressful week is now behind me...

Redneck you remind me exactly of my little brother. That said you have to understand that to this day we ain't happy if we ain't fightin'.

03. I never said that the US assumes all responsibility. But I do believe they share in it when the training provided is "misused". I also do not think these countries enter into the agreement with their head completely submerged in their buttocks. Don't think I said that, if it seemed implied, it wasn't. On the fourth point, yes, I absolutely believe that the US is imposing an economic-military hegemonic system upon the rest of the world, the third world especially. The evidence in favor of this position is, in my opinion, stronger than any argument I have heard yet in opposition.

Missileer, I would be in a bidding war with you for those mercs.
July 11th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
Missileer, I would be in a bidding war with you for those mercs.
All you need is a bag of Krugerrands or uncut diamonds.
July 11th, 2005  
bulldogg
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Missileer
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
Missileer, I would be in a bidding war with you for those mercs.
All you need is a bag of Krugerrands or uncut diamonds.
Touche'.
Executive Outcomes anyone???