Crime in Britain in 2003 (Or "How to Create a Violent Society")

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The US is a violent, crime-ridden society whose citizens (if you believe Michael Moore) cower in fear behind locked doors in gated communities. Meanwhile, other countries, such as England, Canada, Germany and France have peaceful, safe societies due to their "enlightened" social policies.

Oh really?

If you agreed with that statement, wake up and smell the coffee, dear reader. Here are the 2001 Interpol statistics showing number of crimes per 100,000 people in these countries; note where the US falls:

9927 - England and Wales
8572 - Canada
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
4161 - United States

Yes, intrepid reader, that's right. Half as much crime in the US as in Merrie Olde England or Canada.

In particular, crime has risen sharply and continually in England since it instituted a complete gun ban in 1997. Since then, appallingly, crime has doubled!

For example, in 2002 alone, the English saw a 9% increase in overall crime, a 35% increase in gun crimes and a 28% increase in "personal violence". In 2002, your chances of being mugged in London were six times higher than in New York.

So how has 2003 been shaping up? No terribly good. According to the not-always-trusted** British Crime Survey (BCS), there's been another 14% rise in violent crime overall with an 18% rise in the most serious types of violence. Gun violence figures have dropped very slightly, but police say it's due to increasing use of poor-quality weapons, while the Sun reports: "There was also a huge 46 per cent jump in the use of replica weapons to 1,815 incidents."

Regarding the aforemention Interpol stats, the Sun updates them thusly:
Britain dominates the top five in the crime league of Western countries, with only Sweden above them. England and Wales have 10,608 crimes for every 100,000 citizens, followed by Scotland and Northern Ireland with 8,315. Germany has 7,734, France 6,880 and America — known for violent crime — just 4,157.
(Ah yes. Lovely, safe Sweden, the socialist paradise. Scary, crime-ridden, bankrupt Sweden, actually.)

If one wants to look for the bright side, Brits can focus on a 1% drop in crime overall, a 2% drop in domestic burglary, and a 5% drop in stolen cars. Of course, in my world, a 1-2% drop translates as "business as normal; no significant change." Especially if one is already living amongst astronomical crime levels.

So what's next?

There have been calls for more gated communities (of the type Michael Moore stereotypically depicts Americans as living in), and attempts to restrict alcohol use, "replica" guns (think toys, and the cigarette lighter in The Pink Panther).

And of course, harsher gun laws with stiffer sentences for those found possessing a banned weapon. (If something isn't working, do more of it!) Law enforcement and crime figures are, understandably, not impressed:
New laws that make carrying a firearm an offence with a mandatory five-year sentence have won little favour with officers on the street. 'It changes nothing,' said one drug squad detective who asked to remain anonymous. 'Most of the kids carry guns in order to protect themselves when they are dealing. They are going around with enough crack or heroin to ensure that they go away for 10 years if they get caught. Because of that, they feel they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by carrying a gun. They carry them just for the hell of it.'

Notorious underworld figure Joey Pyle agrees. 'In the old days, during the time of the Krays and the Richardsons, people didn't go around with guns on them all the time. You only got tooled up if you were out on a bit of work. That's all changed now. For a lot of people out there, having a gun is little more than a fashion accessory.'
As I've said before, the Brits are conducting a fascinating little controlled experiment with their country and self-defense and gun-control laws. It'll be interesting to see how these next couple measure work out. But regardless, my sympathy extends to UK citizens who have apparently had enough of this silliness and want a change to the laws.
 
What's meaning? The article seems to imply that there is some certain relationship between the British hash gun laws and its crime increase.
 
Please define "crime". Stealing a bycicle is also a crime or thrashing a bus stop when you are pissed too... I have a hard time believing that crimes as these have risen because the English do not have a license to kill all the vermin on the street.
So please let me know whether misdemeanors are also considered crimes, this makes the conversion easier.
 
Please define "crime". Stealing a bycicle is also a crime or thrashing a bus stop when you are pissed too... I have a hard time believing that crimes as these have risen because the English do not have a license to kill all the vermin on the street.
So please let me know whether misdemeanors are also considered crimes, this makes the conversion easier.


For example, in 2002 alone, the English saw a 9% increase in overall crime, a 35% increase in gun crimes and a 28% increase in "personal violence". In 2002, your chances of being mugged in London were six times higher than in New York.

So how has 2003 been shaping up? No terribly good. According to the not-always-trusted** British Crime Survey (BCS), there's been another 14% rise in violent crime overall with an 18% rise in the most serious types of violence. Gun violence figures have dropped very slightly, but police say it's due to increasing use of poor-quality weapons, while the Sun reports: "There was also a huge 46 per cent jump in the use of replica weapons to 1,815 incidents."

I presume overall means every type of crime on the books. The rest of the bolded selections pretty much explains the types of crimes that are the main topic of discussion.
 
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First of all, your Interpol site is for law enforcement only. So posting a link to it is pointless as we cannot actual see it. Secondly, (and consider this a friendly warning) I am not sure posting sensetive Interpol Data which clearly isnt meant for public viewing is such a smart move careerwise or in general. I can tell you for a fact that people in civilian jobs have been fired, sued, and even imprisoned for posting similar things on the web. I would think twice about posting this stuff here...

Getting back to the data as its given. The term 'Crime' is a very, very, broad statement. Speeding is a crime, so is littering, or not cleaning up after your dog. Are you taking about all crimes (including misdemeaners and White Collar crime) or is the data referring to violent armed crimes (Felonies).

If your trying to convice me that there is more violent (gun) crime in England than in the USA your going to have to give me an access to Interpol, because thats about the only way I'll believe it. I would wager Florida or Detriot has more crime in a month, than England does in a year.
 
Wow some of you people really can't read can you...... Or perhaps you only read what you want to read and cant get past your own delusional reality...

He stated that OVERALL crime rose 9 percent and that GUN related CRIMES rose 35%....

It is proven over and over again statistically that when you take away the guns from honest people crime goes up...why well criminals don’t exactly go down to the local gun shop and buy a registered fire arm to go rob a bank or make a hit....England is also having problems with home invasion, why is this well simple the bad guys are pretty certain that if they have a bop the bloody flat owner isnt gonna put up a fight....

Now I am willing to bet you will see a large decline in home invasion in Florida
http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

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Funny how the interpol crime statistic page is located in the "public" folder yet it requires authorized access...
 
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Hmm I’ have found some interesting data showing crimes in different countries in 2005

Number of murders per 100.000 people:

Poland - 2,1
Germany - 3
USA - 5,5

Number of rapes per 100.000:

Poland - 5,1
England - 7,78
Germany - 10,7
Sweden - 29
USA - 32

Number of stolen cars per 100.000 people in 2005:

Poland - 117,46
Germany - 245,7
England - 403,4
USA - 421,3

Source (only in Polish) - http://www.wprost.pl/ar/?O=91578
Article was based at 2005 Interpol statistics

Here is also something interesting:

Countries with the most prisoners (per 100.000 people) - http://www.aneki.com/prison.html
 
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Gun violence figures have dropped very slightly, but police say it's due to increasing use of poor-quality weapons, while the Sun reports: "There was also a huge 46 per cent jump in the use of replica weapons to 1,815 incidents."
Bloody hell, suppose what could have happened if high quality guns would grow on trees, just like in the US. I still prefer a replica against my skull instead of a Glock or S&W.

P.s. Nice catch Venom :)! Once again it is proven that statistic show what you want them to show.
 
My mates from England who have been to the US say we're a bunch of lily-livered pansies. The UK is a far more violent society, they just dont use guns. And Russia tops anyone anyday of the week for a "violent society"... my kind of people. :)
 
Bloody hell, suppose what could have happened if high quality guns would grow on trees, just like in the US. I still prefer a replica against my skull instead of a Glock or S&W.

P.s. Nice catch Venom :)! Once again it is proven that statistic show what you want them to show.


I have said pretty much the same thing in other threads.
 
Hmm I’ have found some interesting data showing crimes in different countries in 2005

Number of murders per 100.000 people:

Poland - 2,1
Germany - 3
USA - 5,5

Number of rapes per 100.000:

Poland - 5,1
England - 7,78
Germany - 10,7
Sweden - 29
USA - 32

Number of stolen cars per 100.000 people in 2005:

Poland - 117,46
Germany - 245,7
England - 403,4
USA - 421,3

Article was based at 2005 Interpol statistics

Here is also something interesting:

Countries with the most prisoners (per 100.000 people) - http://www.aneki.com/prison.html

Where did these numbers come from?
 
My mates from England who have been to the US say we're a bunch of lily-livered pansies. The UK is a far more violent society, they just dont use guns. And Russia tops anyone anyday of the week for a "violent society"... my kind of people. :)

Really depends on where in the US and there is a difference between being stupid and being violen, not that they cant go hand and hand....

Another thing about crime statistics most countries are going to fudge the numbers, some more than others, to show that their country is better...

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Source of the numbers

Source (only in Polish) - http://www.wprost.pl/ar/?O=91578
Article was based at 2005 Interpol statistics
I've also have found FBI Crime Report 2004 - http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html
It shows that in 2004 number of murders was also 5,5 per 100.000 people.
That is one of the highest numbers in the world

What you failed to mention is the murder rate dropped by 3.3% from 2003, rape dropped .2%, robbery dropped 4.1%, aggravated assault dropped 1.5%, property crime overall by 2.1%, violent crime overall dropped 2.2%.

None went up so at least the trend is in the right direction. The statistics that are important now is if the crime rates are dropping or rising in a given country.
 
No problem Missileer

This is Polish Police 2005 Crime Report http://www.policja.pl/index.php?dzial=6&id=2

Murders - 837 (14% drop)
Rapes - 1987 (8.7% drop)
Stolen Cars - 45,292 (11,5% drop)
Aggravated assaults - 3926 (15.2% drop)
Property crimes - 324.000 (4,4% drop)

Murder traceability - 90,6%

If we want to compare more countries other members must post similar crime reports.

Ps: Interesting official movie presenting Polish Police (in English) - http://www.policja.pl/ftp/filmy/polish_police_information_movie.wmv
 
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I have also heard from people ive gamed with that lived in Great Britiain and have been to America that our ghettos felt a lot a safer than theres. But oh well.

If the interpool data is true (which I figure it is) the US prison population just means we actually like to put criminals....in jail.

Its just amazing. Ive been to (almost) every large city in the US and have yet to see a mugging, rapeing, stabbing, shooting, theft, carjacking, or rape. I've even been in the ghettos and didnt see it.

This description of America being a place were people are stabbed on street corners is just false.
 
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