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Creation of the State of Israel
 
June 24th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
Creation of the State of Israel
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Originally Posted by CSmaster
it is pretty confusing,

so they both claim the same land right?
Very confusing. Yes, they used to live toguether in the same land peacefuly.

Concerning the concept semitic: modern science identifies an ethnic group's common physical descent through genetic research. Though in genetic research no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, genetic Y-chromosome links between Near-Eastern peoples like the Palestinians, Syrians and ethnic Jews have proved fruitful (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). While population genetics is still a young science, it seems to indicate that a significant proportion of these peoples' ancestry comes from a common Near-Eastern population to which (despite the differences with the Biblical genealogy) the term Semitic has been applied.

Also check this page, quite interesting: http://foundationstone.com.au/HtmlSu...cGenetics.html
June 24th, 2005  
CSmaster
 
oh......

so genetic reasearch fits into the Bible story that muslims and jews had like the same ancestor..

but Jews did live in today's Isreal for a long time and they built cities such as Jerusalem,

so why cannot jews and arabians live peacefully together as in the past when jews were still in today's Isreal
June 24th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
I guess that the answer is Zionism and Arab fanatics.
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Creation of the State of Israel
June 24th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
I guess that the answer is Zionism and Arab fanatics.
What is bad with zionism? Why can Finns have there own country but not Jews?
June 24th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
I guess that the answer is Zionism and Arab fanatics.
What is bad with zionism? Why can Finns have there own country but not Jews?
This is wrong with Zionism:

Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews. It began in the late 19th Century and attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states). Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars.
In its current form Zionism seeks to dominate all of Palestine and the Middle East by means of violence and the threat of violence (using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States) and to maximize its influence in world affairs and in world history, principally by means of control of the government of the USA (primarily by blackmailing its many corrupt politicians), at the expense of the social wellbeing not only of the Palestinians but of the peoples of all lands.

Zionism is not a part of the Jewish religion, but rather is parasitic upon it. Most Zionists are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists. To condemn Zionism as immoral (racist, vicious and depraved) is not to condemn Judaism.

Zionists claim that Jews have the right to possess all land between the Nile and the Euphrates because (they say) this land was given to them by some entity they call "YHWH" as claimed in the Old Testament (Genesis 15:18). But this would not be the first time that documents written by humans were used to justify land grabs. (And this "YHWH" appears, from accounts in the Old Testament, to be a particularly repulsive entity, vain, jealous, given to fits of rage and directing his followers to massacre civilian populations — an entity who, if he existed, would be quite unworthy of the devotion of anyone with a sense of justice and morality.)

Zionists also lay claim to Palestine because this was territory controlled by two Jewish mini-states, Judah and Samaria, until their destruction by the Romans in the 1st C. CE. To which may be replied: If Zionist claims to a Jewish "homeland" in Palestine, based on Jewish occupation of that area 2000 years ago, are accepted as valid then the claims of North American Indians to their former homeland (all of the United States) and the claims of Australian Aborigines to their former homeland (all of Australia) should also be accepted as valid, and those homelands returned. Not to mention the descendants of the inhabitants of countless mini-states which have risen and fallen over the course of thousands of years of human history. Jews have no more rights than anyone else.

Zionists are not content with having acquired a state of their own in Palestine, they also want this state to be for-Jews-only, thus the desire and intention to expel from Israeli-controlled territory all the indigenous inhabitants (a practice sometimes known as ethnic cleansing, a concept derived from the Nazi practice of "cleansing" areas of all Jews so that those areas are then Judenrein).

Never said that jews shouldnīt have a country, I said that I you do not want problems UN resolution 181 should have done a fare division of coast line, natural resources and water, thatīs it.

Interesting links:

Jews against Zionism: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/greatgulf.cfm
June 24th, 2005  
panzerfaust
 
 
israel is an illegal state, it's in stolen land, the proclamation of a jewish state in an arabic land in 1948 was an injustice, many were forced to leave their homes and many were killed ( we don't forget dir yassine) israel is a zionnist state and should return lands to their OWNERS if wants peace, golan is a historical jewish land too!
June 24th, 2005  
panzerfaust
 
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
I guess that the answer is Zionism and Arab fanatics.
What is bad with zionism? Why can Finns have there own country but not Jews?
because finland is the natural homeland of finns, and palestine is the same for palestinians,jews don't have any own country!
June 25th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by panzerfaust
israel is an illegal state, it's in stolen land, the proclamation of a jewish state in an arabic land in 1948 was an injustice, many were forced to leave their homes and many were killed ( we don't forget dir yassine) israel is a zionnist state and should return lands to their OWNERS if wants peace, golan is a historical jewish land too!
What is best move to defend from...A JEW?

Sorry couldn't help myself. Now before you ban me for racism or some crap like that, go watch Da Ali G Show season 2.
June 25th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
staurofilakes, you reallly, as usuall, have very little and even than distorted understanding of Zionisem. Being a Zionist my self I can tell you I wont nothing to do with the territories and would gladly give them away. The ammount of Zionist that fit your descriptions is so small, they are counted by the houndreds. Please try to base your posts on fact and not cheap propoganda, as you ate really smarter than the idiots who spread it.

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israel is an illegal state, it's in stolen land, the proclamation of a jewish state in an arabic land in 1948 was an injustice, many were forced to leave their homes and many were killed ( we don't forget dir yassine) israel is a zionnist state and should return lands to their OWNERS if wants peace, golan is a historical jewish land too
Who do you work for, the PLO?

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because finland is the natural homeland of finns, and palestine is the same for palestinians,jews don't have any own country!
Guss not, even they dont make such redicules claims. Jews have been living in "Palestine" 3000 years before the Palestinians ever thought of themselves as a nation.

Any of you seeking ansawers about Israel and the conflict, note that staurofilakes is mainly spreading extreme left-wing propoganda, weather knowingly or not. PM me with questions and ill love to ansawer.
June 25th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by panzerfaust
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
I guess that the answer is Zionism and Arab fanatics.
What is bad with zionism? Why can Finns have there own country but not Jews?
because finland is the natural homeland of finns, and palestine is the same for palestinians,jews don't have any own country!
There is no such country as Palestina and it never existed, the only thing that Palestina does is support terrorism... And jews have Israel...


"Israel is an illegal state, it's in stolen land, the proclamation of a jewish state in an arabic land in 1948 was an injustice, many were forced to leave their homes and many were killed ( we don't forget dir yassine) israel is a zionnist state and should return lands to their OWNERS if wants peace, golan is a historical jewish land too!"

i say it once again