Court: Boy can't join girls' gym team




 
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November 30th, 2006  
Team Infidel
 
 

Topic: Court: Boy can't join girls' gym team




RYAN J. FOLEY

Associated Press

MADISON, Wis. - A boy who wanted to compete on his high school's girls' gymnastics team cannot sue for gender discrimination, a state appeals court ruled Thursday.
The District 4 Court of Appeals upheld a judge's dismissal of Keith Michael Bukowski's lawsuit against the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association, which has a rule prohibiting boys from competing in girls' sports.
Bukowski filed the lawsuit as a junior at Stevens Point Area High School in 2004. He argued the WIAA rule preventing him from trying out for and competing on the girl's gymnastics team discriminated against him because his school did not have a boys' team.
Bukowski argued that the rule violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution as well as a federal law known as Title IX, which prohibits sex discrimination in schools that receive federal funds.
In a 3-0 ruling, the court said Bukowski failed to show that WIAA, a nonprofit organization of public and private high schools that sets rules for sports competition, could be sued under either argument.
Bukowski didn't prove WIAA was an arm of the state that could be sued for the constitutional violation or that it received federal funding as required in a Title IX claim, the court said. The ruling backed a Portage County judge who came to a similar conclusion.
Courts have previously ruled that letting boys compete on girls' teams jeopardizes opportunities for girls.
Bukowski's attorney, Jared Redfield, said he would likely appeal to the state Supreme Court. He said the ruling means "the WIAA can discriminate at will, which doesn't make any sense at all."
But Bukowski, who had competed in gymnastics at a local YMCA, argued the case was similar to recent examples of girls who were allowed to compete on boys' teams in football and wrestling.
Redfield said female sports no longer deserved what he called a privileged status because participation among women has increased sharply in recent decades.
"Why not treat the genders equally?" he asked. "If women can go on our football team and they can wrestle in tournaments, why in the world if there's no access for a male to participate in gymnastics should they not be on the girls' team?"
But WIAA executive director Doug Chickering said females remain underrepresented in sports. He said allowing Bukowski to compete would have put pressure on WIAA to grant frequent requests from boys who want to play on girls' volleyball teams.
"Our fundamental reason for denying participation was that we didn't want to see girls displaced from girls' teams by boys," he said.
Bukowski graduated earlier this year so the legal fight by him and his mother would affect only other students in the future. Hundreds of students at his school signed a petition backing his efforts to compete in 2004 but courts rejected his attempts for a faster ruling that would have allowed him to compete.
Bukowski, a student at University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, may have lost an opportunity for a college scholarship as a result, Redfield said.
Principal Mike Devine said the school does not have a boys' team because of lack of interest and he was following the WIAA rule in refusing to allow Bukowski on the girls' team. He said the school recently hired Bukowski as an assistant coach for the girls' gymnastics team.
"We're glad to have Keith working with our kids right now. He does have some talent in gymnastics," he said. "Even though he couldn't compete with us, he's teaching our kids. That's a somewhat positive outcome for this."
September 23rd, 2009  
fhaye
 
Not all boys could join a girls gym team it is beyond some boys military schools control. However if you have a good intentions of going to join a girls gym team for instance like to teach them or assist them on their gym training but some of their superiors don't bother to do so or don't like it. Maybe of some reasons that they could answer. It is actually nice and a fun experience to be with them actually but let us respect their decision towards on why they don't want it to be combined.
September 23rd, 2009  
The Other Guy
 
 
Now I have to say that this is desperately stupid.

I know several girls who have played on boys teams for various sports. Either way this rule needs to be enforced fairly: co-ed sports, or uniformly separate. The kid has a point, it's gender discrimination.
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September 28th, 2009  
tomtom22
 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Guy
Now I have to say that this is desperately stupid.

I know several girls who have played on boys teams for various sports. Either way this rule needs to be enforced fairly: co-ed sports, or uniformly separate. The kid has a point, it's gender discrimination.
I totally agree!
You can't let girls have it their way and then not let the boys have the same thing.
September 28th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
This is equality business is a damn joke.

I wonder what the judges would say if I entered my dog, in the local cattle show. He is a "cattle" dog after all.

It's a GIRLS gym team FFS.

If a boy joins it, it is no longer a "Girls" team, so of course he cannot join a "Girls" team. He can only join a Mixed or Boys team.
September 28th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
Quote:
If a boy joins it, it is no longer a "Girls" team, so of course he cannot join a "Girls" team. He can only join a Mixed or Boys team.
Thats the point. Girls can join boys teams and it is still considered a boys team. The only reason it can't go both ways would be because women are inferior, say it.
September 28th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallabies
Thats the point. Girls can join boys teams and it is still considered a boys team. The only reason it can't go both ways would be because women are inferior, say it.
What i will say is, don't go getting above yourself there Wallabies, and don't try to put words in my mouth, it won't end well.

Your "point" is incorrect isn't it?

If a girl or girls, joins what was previously a boys team, it immediately becomes a "Mixed" team, What you or your PC queens elect to call it, is up to you, but the fact does not change. I don't give a flying fcuk if you are just getting in touch with your feminine side, I can assure you, when the team goes to the showers the boy(s) will go one way, and the girl(s) will go another. It is no longer a "boys" team. You and the PC idiots, may call it what you like.

If any member of a team has Y chromosomes it can only be be a male or mixed team, ask the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) or Caster Semenya if you don't believe me. Don't you watch the world news?
September 28th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
Mate I'm pretty sure the team still stays in the boys competition so you wouldn't really be calling it a mixed team as it isn't in a mixed competition. I'm far from PC but I'm not going to have a woman be legally be able to do something while it is not allowed for a man.
September 28th, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallabies
Mate I'm pretty sure the team still stays in the boys competition so you wouldn't really be calling it a mixed team as it isn't in a mixed competition.
Of course it's a mixed competition, "they" may call it what they like, but so long as any member of an otherwise boys team is a girl it's mixed.

A tin of white paint is just that, white paint, but the instant I add some black paint, it becomes a shade of grey. I don't care if you or anyone else calls it white, magenta or puce, I know that it is grey and refuse to call it anything else.

Those who consider themselves "politically correct" may resort to all manner of semantics with the naming of the team, but you cannot change the facts, and some of us are still willing to recognise the facts.

If others wish to make idiots of themselves,... Go for it. Just don't expect me to join your ranks any time soon, at least while I still have all my marbles.
October 7th, 2009  
Nina
 
"You can't let girls have it their way and then not let the boys have the same thing."

I agree with that one. Fairness..simple fairness.

If the rules at some point were allowed to change for someone..others in the future will want the same treatment... makes sense.
 


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