I'm so glad I was born a Jew. Yes, the Judaic being today fights back and fights better than his enemies because intellect is the ultimate weapon.
Its looking like most of it went down under to me.
I'm so glad I was born a Jew. Yes, the Judaic being today fights back and fights better than his enemies because intellect is the ultimate weapon.
Israeli Ethnic Cleansing in Action | |
Yes Ben, if there had been Internet in 1933 some people would have said the same to those who tried to point out what the Nazis were doing in Germany.honestly you guys these arguments never go anywhere. different people view this issue in different ways and it's unlikely that anyone will change their mind. :wink:
I am not sure you are telling us anything we don't know there and we still have exactly the same problem:
Two people who can not and will not live in a single state but will not relinquish title to a land both claim as their own.
So as a "Peace if possible" type how do you solve this issue?
I am not sure you are telling us anything we don't know there and we still have exactly the same problem:
Two people who can not and will not live in a single state but will not relinquish title to a land both claim as their own.
So as a "Peace if possible" type how do you solve this issue?
Israel may well have the right to exist, but they have no right to exist in someone else's land.I don't know enough to propose an entire solution.
However having said that, their are some necessary things, from the Israeli POV, for peace.
1. Hamas must accept that Israel exists, and will continue, and has the right to exist.
Hamas would never have come into being, had the Zionists not robbed, humiliated, beaten and murdered the rightful land owners.2. Hamas must disarm most of it's 'security forces'
Not to mention the deliberate destruction of Palestinian civil infrastructure by Israel.http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE02/018/20063. Fatah (the PA) needs to stop shitting in it's own backyard, and treat it's people properly, which will decrease crime and terrorism. (Recently information came to light saying that most Fatah people weren't paid, and that Fatah is having trouble keeping services such as water and electricity running due to rampant corruption.)
Define terrorist groups. then tell us if America should stop supplying Israel. Were the allies supplying terrorists when we supplied the Marquis?4. Syria and Iran need to stop supplying the various terrorist groups.
What Palestinians do in their country is no business of Israel, you very conveniently forget whose country it is. Israel merely occupies it and is not allowed under International law to build on occupied land.5. People from both sides need to stop illegal construction. (Of which most actually tends to be palestinian, regardless of what people say)
Steal my land, beat and kill my family, then pat yourself on the back for offering under paid work to the starving survivors, building illegal settlements for Israel.For all of you guys calling for a halt to construction, let me ask you this: who do you think most of the construction laborers are, the one ones that get laid off first when the builders have no more contracts, and need the money most?
I don't know enough to propose an entire solution.
However having said that, their are some necessary things, from the Israeli POV, for peace.
1. Hamas must accept that Israel exists, and will continue, and has the right to exist.
2. Hamas must disarm most of it's 'security forces'
3. Fatah (the PA) needs to stop shitting in it's own backyard, and treat it's people properly, which will decrease crime and terrorism. (Recently information came to light saying that most Fatah people weren't paid, and that Fatah is having trouble keeping services such as water and electricity running due to rampant corruption.)
4. Syria and Iran need to stop supplying the various terrorist groups.
5. People from both sides need to stop illegal construction. (Of which most actually tends to be palestinian, regardless of what people say)
Now for possibilities
1. The two-state solution, however fatah and hamas cannot be allowed a military, based on their past record.
I like this one as it means that they are no longer Israels problem and we can be free of them, close the borders, and have no more problems. It actually looks like we are heading this way, as the PA seems to be picking up more administrative and regulatory functions, however see point three on the other list.
2. keep thing more or less as they are, with the PA and hamas running the west bank and gaza.
This is not really a solution, just a put off to a later date.
3. Ask the PA if they would like to become part of Israel with full citizenship.
Probably not gonna happen due to the politics of numbers, but it is an interesting option, as it would give Israeli employers large numbers of workers, and make israel stronger on the inernational market.
Now for a little rant.
For all of you guys calling for a halt to construction, let me ask you this: who do you think most of the construction laborers are, the one ones that get laid off first when the builders have no more contracts, and need the money most?
In other words you will treat as biased every source that doesnt fit your limited view of the world as a very basic form of defence against arguments, whats the point of even talking to you if you employ suck redneck methods in a dialogue then?When you quote an unbiased source, we'll talk.
You can be biased, it's no skin off my nose, but when a inernational NGO shows an obvious bias, I ignore them.
I suppose you would only agree that Israeli sources are unbiased?When you quote an unbiased source, we'll talk.
You can be biased, it's no skin off my nose, but when a inernational NGO shows an obvious bias, I ignore them.
Yeah,.... you already indicated that they don't agree with your Neo Nazi policies. I guess thats a good reason to write them off. Anyway that having been said, they are still representative of world opinion, and they certainly have more pull than you do.The UN is a collection of idiots. This is the organization that had Libya chairing the Human Rights board, and similar things happening all the time.
Crap! However even if it were true I'd say no one would be too worried about not being on your Christmas card list which would have to be the world's shortest.As for not making an australian, I give everyone a fair go, I hate everybody equally until I feel that whoever-it-is ain't an arsehole, they can be arab, persian, african, hungarian, I don't give a crap, until I see him/her being worth knowing.
Well you dipped out bigtime there didn't you. You support a terrorist state that murders the civilians that won't just give up their land to their oppressors. Naaahhh, you flatter yourself, you haven't got an un biased nor "fair" bone in your body.As for bias, I really prefer organizations the way I like my news, factual without any opinion, thus allowing the reader to form his/her own opinion.
I notice that you have steered well clear of MontyB's question regarding what you would do if the conditions were reversed.
I don't send out christmas cards, I never said I was unbiased, and from my POV it ain't claptrap.
I am not gonna change your mind, your not gonna change my mind, so I am not gonna post in threads about Israel anymore. I can admire your stubbornness however.
Best of luck with your projects,
TMFO
Dr. Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz Survivor | |
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