Communism.

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I just got done with a book called "Democracy versus Communism" and all I have to say is "Damn commies." Whats you take on communism?
 
When I was a little kid, my mother would say that in the Communist countries (which weren't far from us) people could not trust their own families and friends, because there could be spies everywhere. she said that nothing could be yours, and police could take your belongings with no reason.
People overthere could not travel the country or abroad. It was like being held prisoners. You could not fly out of your country, you could not watch a free tv show.

As a kid, I grew up with a very clear idea of what communism was. At the time, my mother's family was still sympathetic to fascism, even if now those feeling are completely gone.

At University I have met many guys and girls from Hungary, Ukraine, Czech Rep, slovakia, Poland, Albania, Russia, Serbia, Croatia. They all confirmed what mom would tell me. It was all true. She had invented nothing.
 
Well I think that's the totalitarian aspect of Communism, which contrary to what the fans say, is inevitable because Communism requires the government (the party) to first take everything from the public before sorting out how to distribute it. What happens when the government owns everything and the people nothing? Exactly.

Also I'd like to point out that Capitalism was never really invented. Basically the first time someone exchanged something he/she built or grew for some other commodity that someone else made or grew, capitalism was born. Capitalism even mimicks the laws of nature by working in cycles. Like what happens to a stock? It rises, then falls, then rises, then falls. It interacts with human demand, production etc.
Communism doesn't seem to do this. Often it starts pretty brightly, then it starts to go into an irreversable descent before the ultimate nose dive.

Democracy and Communism aren't *really* the polar opposites. Capitalism and Communism are.
You could technically have a democratic communist system, though after someone's got all the guns, all the grain and land, I haven't got a clue how anyone else could challenge that person in any sort of way!

I think what you were trying to discuss was more like Totalitarianism versus Democracy.
 
yea...

13th, pretty good explaination.

Communism starts good because it offers equality to people under stress. Communism thrives, because existing government and policies do/did not represent interests of people (KMT, Czar period of Russia). Communism does ignore the human nature of self-interest of individual. To combat self-interest arise overtime, Communism becomes fanatic to control these nature. And, of course, it comes out all wrong in the end.
 
Yeah but the key is that because Communism gives ALL the toys to the state, it just becomes, by nature, too vulnerable to a quick change over to totalitarianism. REMOVED
Okay if I've used too many analogies for a lifetime, let me know :lol:


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hahahha...

13th, I love your avatar. The example is abit distracting from the topic but I liked it :lol:
 
"Communism has nothing to do with love. Communism is an excellent hammer which we use to destroy our enemy."

- Mao Tse-tung


"A communist is like a crocodile: when it opens its mouth you cannot tell whether it is trying to smile or preparing to eat you up."

- Winston Churchill


"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property."

- Karl Marx
 
lol, communism depends on the political graph


left-right as the x axis, rule by people - totalarism on the y axis

this graph will basically tell you waht the political system of a country or an idieology is


communism belongs to defnetly left, yet it could also be dictatorship of rule by people

people have a bad name for commuism namely because most of it was under dictatorship
 
Communisam is something above human power can do,when someone mentions comunisam,u guys remember Stalin and some other creazy dictator,but u should think better,comunisam in its basic form is an utophia, the moto "take only how much u need,and give how much u can" is something that cant be achived only cuz human minds are too corrupted,needless to say that theory of comunisam was miss treated by many ppl and thats how we managed to get to hate it.Comuniasm is more than Stalin gentlemen.

Dusan
 
Xm 8 said:
I just got done with a book called "Democracy versus Communism" and all I have to say is "Damn commies." Whats you take on communism?

Communism is a great system, its just a pity that it doesnt work.
Its biggest problem is its theories on equality which if implimented fully would lead to anarchy which is why there are now and never has been any genuine communist states only socialist ones.
 
Just read Dr. Zhivago by Boris Pasternak if you want to follow the slow death of a country by Communism. The book was banned in Russia for a good reason, even though it was a novel, it was based on truth.
 
correc me if i'm wrong (i'm trying to remember my high school history lessons!)

but isn't communism a stepping stone to true socialism? the idea being that you "give according to your ability and recieve according to your needs"

all well and good i would say, but the spanner gets thrown in the works during the communism stage where so few people have control over basically...everything. absolute power corrupts absolutely
 
The problem with communism is that not everyone in the world is a communist. So when you try having a communist system, you'll inevitably be influenced by outside forces. This leads to paranoia in the soviet's case, and isolation in the chinese case. That's why capitalism and democracy tend to work better, they adapt to the systems of the world more easily. And that's also why china is adopting more free market reforms because they don't want to be like the former ussr.
 
only in a perfect world would true communism work. but in a perfect world there would be no need for communism. so it creates a situation where true communism will never exist.
 
Communism only leads to anarchy. Adam Smtih put it best where people are guided by an "invisible hand" to serve their best good, and with communism you can never earn anything better so people will not be productive, figuring others will do the work.
 
The main problem with real world communism is that party leaders are part of the hierarchy that get all the goods. That is not communism, so if their leaders cannot demonstrate what their ideology is suppose to be doing, what hope is there for the government to succeed?
 
Marksman said:
Communisam is something above human power can do,when someone mentions comunisam,u guys remember Stalin and some other creazy dictator,but u should think better,comunisam in its basic form is an utophia, the moto "take only how much u need,and give how much u can" is something that cant be achived only cuz human minds are too corrupted,needless to say that theory of comunisam was miss treated by many ppl and thats how we managed to get to hate it.Comuniasm is more than Stalin gentlemen.

Dusan

If it doesn't work, it's a bad system.
Your paragraph is what people who like the idea of communism but realize it doesn't work say as an excuse.
I think of it as a system that doesn't answer to the realities of the world. The human desires resources because having personal resources is the only thing that ensures personal power, which means one's ability to rule one's life.
How would you like it if some guy in a suit with a party pin knocked on your door and told you that the party has decided that you will work in a coal mine for the rest of your life?
Personal power = personal surival and freedom. And to have power, you need personal property.
 
communism puts emphasiztion on people's good deeds, sadly it doesnt work


for example, working in a state commune waking up at 11 and goign home at 5 with the motto( do as much as you can) isnt very efficient
 
chewie_nz said:
correc me if i'm wrong (i'm trying to remember my high school history lessons!)

but isn't communism a stepping stone to true socialism? the idea being that you "give according to your ability and recieve according to your needs"

You've got it wrong. Socialism is moving towards communism, which is why Americans are having a bit of an issue with the European socialist states right now. The theory of socialism is that you provide for the society and society gives back to you based on how much you provide. Communism says you do everything you can to provide for a society and society provides for you based on your needs.
 
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