They'll probobly be edited out. But yeah, that's pretty brutal.

This is the true picture:

1. Stalin (he even brutalized his own men and murderer of millions)
2. Nazis (murdered huge number of civilians including mass murder of different races)
3. Imperial Japanese of WWII
4. USA (Vietnam, Philipines and IRAQ)
5. Saddam (IRAN and his attrocities on his own men)

Originally Posted by TBA_PAKI

4. USA (Vietnam, Philipines and IRAQ)
5. Saddam (IRAN and his attrocities on his own men)

You're kidding me.

War crimes Paki, war crimes. Even if you take all the rumours of war crimes committed by American soldiers it does not equal the numbers of PROVEN cases committed by Saddam. You're hatred has blinded your judgement my friend.

You asked which country committed the worst war crimes, but I would like to point out one very glaring point -

You could take all of the deaths committed during warfare between two or more countries and you will not come up with a number that can even approach the number of deaths that have been carried out in the name of religion.

Every major religion in the world espouses peace and has done so since the dawn of time and every religion has had their history of a holy "crusade". If someone can come up with a simple reason that could explain the human behavior that allows men (and women) to use every imaginable form of torture and mayhem to kill another human being because their religious beliefs differ from theirs, I would surely like to hear it. I consider deaths through a holy crusade or jihad (religious war) to be the most wasted of things on earth.

Whether you worship Jesus, Mohamed, Mother Nature, Shiva, or the gods of a thousand names - one thing is as sure as a sunrise and a sunset, some religious fanatic will arise through the history of time to start another holy war and millions of people will die or suffer because of it.

Direct observable proof of my commentary is all around us. We are presently involved in war where one of the parties involved in this conflict is certifiably fanatical to the point that they believe that if they die for their religion they will immediately go to an imaginary heaven where they will be waited on hand and foot by 1000 virgins. Just how kookoo is that.

SOOOO - I rest my case - religion has caused the worst war crimes in history.

I'm with you on that one Chief Bones.

Let's not forget that the deadly chemical agent Sarin has only been used twice in the history of mankind. One was by Saddam Hussein and the other was by a Japanese religion who believed they could bring on the apocalypse (and therefore their own salvation) by gassing Tokyo with Sarin and blaming another country to make Japan go to war.

Only religion would be responsible for such illogic and inhumanity.

War crimes, or crimes against humanity?
Crimes against humanity- The Nazis

War Crimes - The Japanese

Against Australians for example;
•Using Australian soldiers tied to trees for bayonet practice at Milne Bay, Tol and Waitavalo.
•Thai-Burma railway and Hellfire Pass (need I say any more)
•Sandakan Death March
•Changi
•Tamarkan POW camp
•Chungkai (A sight where 1168 Australian bodies were exhumed)
•The sinking of the coastal steamer Vyner Brooke, and the subsequent massacre of Australian Nurses.
•The first Japanese massacre of Australians at Parit Sulong on the west coast of Malaya
•The Laha airfield massacre (involving Australians, Dutch, British and US soldiers killed)

They are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head, there are many other examples of Japanese torturing Australians within earshot of other Aussies. Eating them when food was low etc etc etc.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

War crimes Paki, war crimes. Even if you take all the rumours of war crimes committed by American soldiers it does not equal the numbers of PROVEN cases committed by Saddam. You're hatred has blinded your judgement my friend.

I do not hate Americans but history shows us that they have also commited one of the worst crimes in the garb of free world policies.

Vietnam (US Largest War-Crime):

Vietnam is the biggest example. That nation wanted freedom and it drove the French out but USA (in order to contain Communism) went there and look what happened.

US dropped more bombs in Vietnam then it did in entire WW II. Many American soldiers died there for no reason. There was huge un-rest in US due to mass protests by ordinary Americans. And large number of war crimes took place there (in Vietnam) under the guise of fighting the communists.

It took lives of 2 million Vietnamese and complete destruction of that nation to make US realize its mistake.

IRAQ (US 2nd Largest War-Crime):

When Saddam was involved in war against IRAN, dou you remember that who gave him those chemical weapons (including deadly VX agent)?

Ans: It was the work of US govt.

Then in 1990, when IRAQ invaded Kuwait, US tone suddenly changed but still I feel that 1991 GULF WAR was justified as Saddam had no right to take-over any independent nation.

I support US action on this one but after that war US imposed very strong sanctions on that crippled nation and these sanctions continued for 13 years which resulted in deaths of 2 million Iraqi children. An entire Iraqi race was destroyed for enemity with Saddam, why?

US managed to dismantle all Iraqi weapons programs by 1998 and Saddam made UN weapons inspectors leave the country because he had a reason for it. But US still questioned his legtimacy.

Now in 2003, when everybody knew that IRAQ was not involved in attacks of US soil and North Korea posed a bigger threat to its security, US govt still decided to attack this already crippled nation under the pretext of false claims that IRAQ has deadly weapons when everybody knew that this was fake and entire world was against this move.

IRAQ was captured under this false pretext and still the fight rages after 2 years of captivity with no solution yet. Under Saddam this nation was still managed but now under US, this nation has turned in to a breeding ground for more Terrorists. Thanks to US policy makers.

Now more then 100,000 Iraqis have been killed in this latest war with no security in nation and destruction in every corner and the toll is rising day-by-day.

Isn't this a major war-crime that to punish one stupid person, you made the entire nation suffer?

I am sorry for my explanations but you people take things very lightly. Let me tell you one thing "Two wrongs does not makes any thing Right"

Saddam was bad for his people but US made no good either.

Please Clarify, are we discussing who committed the most number of crimes or who committed the most number of deaths?

I would say it either case its the USSR under Stalin. Hitler killed about 20,000,000 Stalin is estimated at about 40,000,000. If were are talking # of crimes I would say Stalin again, because Stalin was in power 25 years while Hitler was in power for 13 years.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Please Clarify, are we discussing who committed the most number of crimes or who committed the most number of deaths?

I would say it either case its the USSR under Stalin. Hitler killed about 20,000,000 Stalin is estimated at about 40,000,000. If were are talking # of crimes I would say Stalin again, because Stalin was in power 25 years while Hitler was in power for 13 years.

Doesn't it also depend on how they were killed, and why? For example, a good chunk of the above figures are combat casualties.

I'd say the chief difference between Hitler and Stalin is that Hitler tried to literally exterminate an entire race for political and ideological reasons, whereas Stalin simply got rid of people that were in his way. A gross simplification but essentially true.