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Yes: the story that the famine of 1932 in the Ukraine was hand-made is Ukrainian propaganda,besides the number of victims was much lower than is claimed .

The Holodomor,the famine of Bengalen and the Irish famine were not hand-made,they were caused by nature .

Already in 1900 were Russians the majority of the population in the big Ukrainian cities. Stalin did not send millions of Russians to the depopulated regions of the Ukraine,because there were not such regions .
 
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Yes: the story that the famine of 1932 in the Ukraine was hand-made is Ukrainian propaganda,besides the number of victims was much lower than is claimed .

The Holodomor,the famine of Bengalen and the Irish famine were not hand-made,they were caused by nature .

Already in 1900 were Russians the majority of the population in the big Ukrainian cities. Stalin did not send millions of Russians to the depopulated regions of the Ukraine,because there were not such regions .

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-...-resolution-and-human-rights/ukrainian-famine

http://faminegenocide.com/resources/facts.html

No, it is truth the Stalin made Genocide in the Ukraine.
 
Your sources are using Conquest who is totally discredited and sources from Ukrainian emigrants which also are debunked .One should not use as source Ukrainian emigrants in Canada,neither Irish emigrants in the USA.

Besides,10 million victims in the Ukraine is impossible:in 1932,the population of the Ukraine was less than 30 million:if 10 million had died during the famine,the Ukrainians would have been extinct : no country can afford a loss of a third of its population .The Ukrainians did not extinct : 50 years late,they were 50 million .
 
Your sources are using Conquest who is totally discredited and sources from Ukrainian emigrants which also are debunked .One should not use as source Ukrainian emigrants in Canada,neither Irish emigrants in the USA.

Besides,10 million victims in the Ukraine is impossible:in 1932,the population of the Ukraine was less than 30 million:if 10 million had died during the famine,the Ukrainians would have been extinct : no country can afford a loss of a third of its population .The Ukrainians did not extinct : 50 years late,they were 50 million .


Provide with reliable sources which are supporting what you are saying
 
Mark Tauger(professor history at the university of West Virginia) wrote:

"Natural disaster and Human actions in the Soviet famine of 1931-1933" and his conclusion on P 45 was the following :


"I contend that an understanding of the Soviet famine of 1932-1933 must start from the background of chronic agricultural crises in the early Soviet years,the harvest failures of 1931 and 1932 and the interaction of environmental and human failures that caused them ."

Simplified : the Soviet regime did not cause the famine : there were famines before 1932 and after 1932.What one can reproach to the Soviet regime was a to late and insufficient response .
 
Mark Tauger(professor history at the university of West Virginia) wrote:

"Natural disaster and Human actions in the Soviet famine of 1931-1933" and his conclusion on P 45 was the following :


"I contend that an understanding of the Soviet famine of 1932-1933 must start from the background of chronic agricultural crises in the early Soviet years,the harvest failures of 1931 and 1932 and the interaction of environmental and human failures that caused them ."

Simplified : the Soviet regime did not cause the famine : there were famines before 1932 and after 1932.What one can reproach to the Soviet regime was a to late and insufficient response .

What the historian is saying; the Soviet government contributed to the famine, so he is actually confirming the failure of the response caused more fatalities among the Ukrainians.

What kind of *Natural Disaster* is he referring to?
 
About the number of victims : in 1926 the Ukrainian population was 28.7 million,in 1939 31.8 million .Thus,a loss of 10 million is impossible ,because this would assume that the Ukrainian population was increasing from 1932 (30 million- 10 million = 20 million) to 31.8 million = 11.8 million ,in 7 years .

An increase of 1.7 million a year for a population of 20 million is impossible :this would mean a birth figure of 100 per thousand:comparison : a birth figure of 30 million for the US .
 
What the historian is saying; the Soviet government contributed to the famine, so he is actually confirming the failure of the response caused more fatalities among the Ukrainians.

The failure of the response caused more fatalities not only among the Ukrainians but also in the other republics ,because the famine was not limited to the Ukraine .

One can claim that the response was insufficient and to late,but the fact that there was a response is proving that that the Soviet regime did not create,neither cause the famine .


How much more fatalities were caused by the failure of response ? no one knows .Would a better response have resulted in less fatalities (and how much ?) ? No one knows,but,I am sceptical that there would have been less fatalities,because nature is stronger than mankind .
 
All of them at the same time? Does the historian provide with which of them or are you guessing?

Not all at the same time,but there were years where a late frost was succeeded first by heavy rains and than by drought .

The paper of Mark Tauger is available on the web under the title I have given .
 
Not all at the same time,but there were years where a late frost was succeeded first by heavy rains and than by drought .

The paper of Mark Tauger is available on the web under the title I have given .

There is a problem here, if Ukraine had years of bad harvests, why did they not have famines earlier?

When a natural event occur, such as a shift of the precipitation patterns and induces a bad harvest, a drought, or even a flood. It is up to us to act on it to mitigate the result. To be late in the response or doing too little is also an action, in cases of responding to natural disasters, to not act is also an action.
 
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Your sources are using Conquest who is totally discredited and sources from Ukrainian emigrants which also are debunked .One should not use as source Ukrainian emigrants in Canada,neither Irish emigrants in the USA.

Besides,10 million victims in the Ukraine is impossible:in 1932,the population of the Ukraine was less than 30 million:if 10 million had died during the famine,the Ukrainians would have been extinct : no country can afford a loss of a third of its population .The Ukrainians did not extinct : 50 years late,they were 50 million .

The 3 links I supplied were 3 quick ref. I came up with. I'm not going to make a research project out of this. The Ukrainian Genocide by Stalin is a well known historical fact.
In fact my former boss came from the Ukraine, his brother was the voice of radio free Ukraine and he said the things the Soviets did was horrible later to be followed by the Nazi's who were just as bad or worse. They managed to escape after WW2. The population of the Ukaine ws decimated 2ce in > 15 years time. It's a miracle that anybody survived in that blood soaked land.
 
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There is a problem here, if Ukraine had years of bad harvests, why did they not have famines earlier?

When a natural event occur, such as a shift of the precipitation patterns and induces a bad harvest, a drought, or even a flood. It is up to us to act on it to mitigate the result. To be late in the response or doing too little is also an action, in cases of responding to natural disasters, to not act is also an action.

There were famines earlier in Russia/the Soviet Union which also affected the Ukraine.

1891/1892 :375000/500000 deaths

1921/1923:between 1 million and 10 million

1932/34:

1946/48:between 1/1.5 million of whom 350000 in the Ukraine

Michael Ellman in "Stalin and the Soviet famine of 32/33 revisited"

P 677: "If in 31 and 32 there had been two good harvests,there would not have been a famine ."

On the first question : did the Soviet regime intentionally create the famine of 32/33: the answer is :NO :the famine was caused by bad harvests.

On second question : was the Soviet regime (co) responsible for the big number of casualties by the collectivisation : the answer is : YES .


But,one should not mix both questions .

Bad harvests,resulting inthe risk (small/big) famines were/are chronic in the SU/Russia : in southern Russia/SU : 1901,1906,1921,1932,1939,1948,1951,1957,1975,1995.
 
There were famines earlier in Russia/the Soviet Union which also affected the Ukraine.

1891/1892 :375000/500000 deaths

1921/1923:between 1 million and 10 million

1932/34:

1946/48:between 1/1.5 million of whom 350000 in the Ukraine

Michael Ellman in "Stalin and the Soviet famine of 32/33 revisited"

P 677: "If in 31 and 32 there had been two good harvests,there would not have been a famine ."

On the first question : did the Soviet regime intentionally create the famine of 32/33: the answer is :NO :the famine was caused by bad harvests.

On second question : was the Soviet regime (co) responsible for the big number of casualties by the collectivisation : the answer is : YES .


But,one should not mix both questions .

Bad harvests,resulting inthe risk (small/big) famines were/are chronic in the SU/Russia : in southern Russia/SU : 1901,1906,1921,1932,1939,1948,1951,1957,1975,1995.

You can mix the two questions. Stalin took the opportunity to punish the Ukrainians during the famine. Soviet Union exported grains at the same time, but did nothing to help the Ukrainians.
 
You can mix the two questions. Stalin took the opportunity to punish the Ukrainians during the famine. Soviet Union exported grains at the same time, but did nothing to help the Ukrainians.

Actually the famine was created by Stalin due to forced collectivization. Which took the productive Ukraine the bread basket of Europe and made it in large part non productive. This resulted in the staving to death of millions. It was the greatest man made agricultural disaster to have ever occurred and wasn't natural in the making. In addition Stalin's NKVD murdered and deporting of millions of Ukrainians during this time.
 
Actually the famine was created by Stalin due to forced collectivization. Which took the productive Ukraine the bread basket of Europe and made it in large part non productive. This resulted in the staving to death of millions. It was the greatest man made agricultural disaster to have ever occurred and wasn't natural in the making. In addition Stalin's NKVD murdered and deporting of millions of Ukrainians during this time.

I have been going through the data about the famine in Ukraine and see if the famine was caused by natural events, such as droughts, a change in the precipitation patterns, frost, and heat waves. I agree with you, JOC. There is no evidence of a natural caused famine in the data. The sources in the field of climatology do not support any famine in Ukraine in the famine between 1932-1933. There was a drought in Ukraine and in the Volga region between 1921-1922, which caused a famine.
 
1)In 1930/1931 there was a big drought in the US which affected 23 states (the Southern Drought)

2)The 1932 famine was not limited to the Ukraine :Kazachstan was hit,there was famine in Orel,Smolensk,Wetern Siberia:this debunks the claim from the Ukrainian Diaspora that it all was about Ukraine

3)There was drought in 1931 and heavy rain in 1932,this created plant diseases and weeds


4)The Ukraine never was the grain basket of Europe:this is a wrong romanticed version.And it never will be .

Soviet grain harvests in millions of tons)

1930:77/83.5

1931:69.5

1932: 55.7/62.1

1933:68.5

1934 : 67.5

For the Ukraine (same years)

22.7
18.3
14.6
16.9
10.2

For the independent Ukraine (which is bigger than the Soviet Ukraine)

1997:37

2001:39.7

2002:36.7

2003 :20

2004 : 34.8

2005: 28.7

Even in the independent Ukraine there are big fluctuations,thus why could there no big fluctuations in the Soviet period ?

In 2003,the harvest was lower than in 1930 (73 years before) ;this proves that there is no such thing as an Ukrainian grain basket .

About the victims : not all of them died of hunger :a lot of them died from typhus and malaria .

There were several reasons for the partial collectivisation of the Soviet agriculture,one of them was that the Soviet regime was convinced that only a fusion of the countless small farms could increase the production of agriculture products,which the regime needed for export aims .The result was a failure ,which could be have foreseen (but the Soviet bureaucrats were townsmen with a lack of knowledge of the country) : the climate in the SU/Russia/the Ukraine is the big spoilsport which blocks the attempts to increase the production to a Western level .

Some 50 years ago Nikita K.had the "splendid" idea to start big agricultural productions in Kazachstan,the result was a disaster and one of the reasons for his dismissal .
 
1)In 1930/1931 there was a big drought in the US which affected 23 states (the Southern Drought)

2)The 1932 famine was not limited to the Ukraine :Kazachstan was hit,there was famine in Orel,Smolensk,Wetern Siberia:this debunks the claim from the Ukrainian Diaspora that it all was about Ukraine

3)There was drought in 1931 and heavy rain in 1932,this created plant diseases and weeds


4)The Ukraine never was the grain basket of Europe:this is a wrong romanticed version.And it never will be .

Soviet grain harvests in millions of tons)

1930:77/83.5

1931:69.5

1932: 55.7/62.1

1933:68.5

1934 : 67.5

For the Ukraine (same years)

22.7
18.3
14.6
16.9
10.2

For the independent Ukraine (which is bigger than the Soviet Ukraine)

1997:37

2001:39.7

2002:36.7

2003 :20

2004 : 34.8

2005: 28.7

Even in the independent Ukraine there are big fluctuations,thus why could there no big fluctuations in the Soviet period ?

In 2003,the harvest was lower than in 1930 (73 years before) ;this proves that there is no such thing as an Ukrainian grain basket .

About the victims : not all of them died of hunger :a lot of them died from typhus and malaria .

There were several reasons for the partial collectivisation of the Soviet agriculture,one of them was that the Soviet regime was convinced that only a fusion of the countless small farms could increase the production of agriculture products,which the regime needed for export aims .The result was a failure ,which could be have foreseen (but the Soviet bureaucrats were townsmen with a lack of knowledge of the country) : the climate in the SU/Russia/the Ukraine is the big spoilsport which blocks the attempts to increase the production to a Western level .

Some 50 years ago Nikita K.had the "splendid" idea to start big agricultural productions in Kazachstan,the result was a disaster and one of the reasons for his dismissal .

There is no evidence of the droughts you are referring to in the data of climatology. There is data about a drought in Ukraine and southern parts of Russia earlier, but there was no bad harvest during the famine in Ukraine
The Dust Bowl drought in the Midwest has nothing to do with Ukraine, even if the weather patterns influence each other.
 
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http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/how-sri-lanka-won-the-war/

The combination of the three factors of adopting a strategic objective matched to the adversary, using a grand strategy that focused the whole-of-the-nation on this objective, and adopting an optimized, subordinate military strategy proved devastating. The LTTE was completely destroyed. The government proved able to change its strategies in response to continuing failure and win, whereas the LTTE doggedly stuck to its previously successful formula and lost.
 
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