Coalition ? - Page 4




 
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Boots
 
September 20th, 2014  
tetvet
 
Racist and bigotry if that's what you see get some glasses .
September 20th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
There´s clear glass in my spectacles, yours looks pretty colored.

I have lived and fought alongside Muslims.
Where does your experience with Islam comes from?
September 20th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
When I lived near Detroit - Dearborn MI. the area in US with the highest of population of Muslims in the country I befriended some of them and ate at their restaurants. They have some pretty good food. My tailor is a Muslim and I highly dought that he's a terrorists. Even back when I was in the service I trained with Saudi's and found the to be admirable men.
As mentioned Hitler and his racially crazed Nazis used this as an excuse to murder one way or another 25 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Balts, POW's, etc.. This is not the American way.
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Boots
September 20th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
It´s only when people become radicalized that religion becomes really dangerous.
September 20th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
There's no doubt that today Islam is the most violent religion around. It doesn't matter that the majority of the muslims are good people, we are talking about the bad guys here. They read the same Quran, they pray the same prayers and go to the same mosques as non violent muslims. What ISIS is doing right now is the same as Muhammad was doing in the 7th century. Beheading the enemies and selling their women and children.

A coalition might defeat ISIS but not their ideology.
September 20th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
I'm a Baptist a form of Christianity. In our Bible we are told to spread the word by Jesus and his apostles, but only to those who are willing listeners. Never to force ones viewpoints. Now people point to the Crusades, the Inquisition, the forced conversion of native peoples the list goes on... They do not follow the Lord, yet they make us Christ abiding Christians look bad.
Perhaps a similar phenomena has occurred with the Muslim faith? Where the rotten apples have spoiled the barrel for the rest. Also the media is by no means in the clear, they seldom portray the common man.
I do again agree we can't lump any group of people together. Then we are no better than the worse killers of all time.
September 20th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
I'm a Baptist a form of Christianity. In our Bible we are told to spread the word by Jesus and his apostles, but only to those who are willing listeners. Never to force ones viewpoints. Now people point to the Crusades, the Inquisition, the forced conversion of native peoples the list goes on... They do not follow the Lord, yet they make us Christ abiding Christians look bad.
Perhaps a similar phenomena has occurred with the Muslim faith? Where the rotten apples have spoiled the barrel for the rest. Also the media is by no means in the clear, they seldom portray the common man.
I do again agree we can't lump any group of people together. Then we are no better than the worse killers of all time.
Islam was violent from in the beginning. Jesus had no, and didn't want, an army. It was all peaceful. The church did what Mohammad did from in the beginning: forcing their point of view upon others, peaceful if possible with force if necessary. Islam has not changed. You can pray whenever you want to, muslims must pray five times a day. That's brainwashing, not praying. Once they occupy non muslim ground it becomes theirs forever, even if they have to retreat. That's why the Jews in Israel and the Christians in Lebanon have all those problems with them. Syrian fighters are already shouting that Al-Andalus (Spain) is next.

A few weeks ago there were two demonstrations in Brussels. One pro Hamas and one pro Israel. The pro Israel demonstration was very peaceful. The pro Hamas demonstration became violent, cars destroyed and many arrests.

A few decades ago in Antwerp there was a famous shopping district. A street full of Flemish shops. Then the muslims came. One by one they bought the shops (they could get loans from their homeland without intrest to be payed). The ones that did not want to leave were bullied. Scratches on their cars. Parking in front of the garage entrance. Smashing windows. After a while they all left, except one, a baker. He refused to leave. He was killed.
September 20th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
Mention the most peaceful, passive religious ethics in the world and you will still find violence. Buddhist teachings are so fanatical pacifist, but Sri Lankan Buddhists will rack up piles of dead Tamil civilians like nobody's business. And Atheists have no room to gloat. Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung counted millions of murders between them in the 20th century alone. The absence of a religion is no more protection against fanatical rampages than blind faith. No matter what a religion teaches, some bloody-minded believers will twist it to justify their own dark urges. Religion is doing what people tell it to do. There is a clear relationship between religion and violence - people.

Jesus was peaceful?
I can find several passages in the Bible where Jesus proves otherwise.
September 20th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kesse81
Mention the most peaceful, passive religious ethics in the world and you will still find violence. Buddhist teachings are so fanatical pacifist, but Sri Lankan Buddhists will rack up piles of dead Tamil civilians like nobody's business. And Atheists have no room to gloat. Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung counted millions of murders between them in the 20th century alone. The absence of a religion is no more protection against fanatical rampages than blind faith. No matter what a religion teaches, some bloody-minded believers will twist it to justify their own dark urges. Religion is doing what people tell it to do. There is a clear relationship between religion and violence - people.

Jesus was peaceful?
I can find several passages in the Bible where Jesus proves otherwise.
Yes Jesus was the prince of peace. The only time he was angered during his ministry was when they used the temple for a den of thieves.
He used many parables that were examples for the common people of the day. I.E.: like if someone were to hurt one of my little ones it would be better for him to be cast into the sea with a millstone around his neck. He stated their were really only 2 commandments. Believe in the Lord they God with all your heart and treat thy neighbor as you would treat yourself. If you want to debate this in detail I would be glad to do so offline. May the Lords peace be with you.
September 20th, 2014  
tetvet
 
The only difference between the Quran and Koran is the spelling both religions are based on the old testament , Judaism was spread by the sword and Islam by fire and the sword , Judaism was not interested in converts they just wanted the none believers gone , Islam wants coverts or corpus your choice , we can be nice nice and touchy feely with Islam while they convert us , the we can get rid of the Constitution and live under Sharia law .
 


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