pixiedustboo
Redfidelboo
No, it's just confirming what is going on with the younger generation of men... One word; Metrosexuals.
Civil Unions Vs Gay "marriage" thoughts?
No, it's just confirming what is going on with the younger generation of men... One word; Metrosexuals.
Infern0
Banned
omg.... a buzzword from 5 years ago!
to the storm cellar!
seriously, look after you and yours, live the way you want to live and let others live in their way....and generally at least ...it all works out
parents are STILL, and w2ill always be the biggest influence in a child up bringing, not school, not TV, not advertising....i wouldn't be so fearful
senojekips
Active member
Regarding the question. Homosexual* partnerships should not be given formal recognition, any more than a business partnership or club membership, as this partnership plays no part in furthering the human race. (Yeah,... I know there are heterosexual couples that shouldn't be allowed to breed either) But that's another story.
I know many will disapprove, but I'm a man of my time, and see no future in this modern politically correct, "touchy feely" world.
I regard homosexuals* as living in a parallel universe. They are there,.... but they play no active part in my universe. Depending on the way in which they interact with others, they range from sometimes "brilliant" people to objects of utmost disgust,.... pretty much the same as some heterosexuals. I will treat them with civil courtesy but never regard them as part of my world.
*I use the word homosexual, because the term "Gay" is a misnomer introduced by them, to make their lifestyle appear less abnormal. It is meant to sound "fun" which to me it is certainly not.
I know many will disapprove, but I'm a man of my time, and see no future in this modern politically correct, "touchy feely" world.
I regard homosexuals* as living in a parallel universe. They are there,.... but they play no active part in my universe. Depending on the way in which they interact with others, they range from sometimes "brilliant" people to objects of utmost disgust,.... pretty much the same as some heterosexuals. I will treat them with civil courtesy but never regard them as part of my world.
*I use the word homosexual, because the term "Gay" is a misnomer introduced by them, to make their lifestyle appear less abnormal. It is meant to sound "fun" which to me it is certainly not.
The Other Guy
Spam King
That is almost an exact quote from the 60s, with the subject being interracial marriage.
pixiedustboo
Redfidelboo
I 100% agree.
But what happens when the parent isn't there doing their job?
I'm not talking about interracial marriage. I'm talking about homosexual marriage.
Chief Bones
Forums Grumpy Old Man
I see no problem with a homosexual or lesbian "Civil Union". It is not any different than a marriage ... it is a contract between two people and it endows the couple with the same rights as a married couple. It does NOT threaten my masculinity or sexuality in any way ... and ... I see NO reason to deny others a right to pursue their happiness as THEY wish. Civil union couples should be allowed all the rights, privileges and all of the problems other married couples have to put up with.
Also, why should only a married couple be miserable when they have problems? Seriously though, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, and the purpose of marriage is to provide an environment where procreation and the raising of children can be fostered. A civil union couple can provide MOST of the same things ... however ... because of religious bigotry and religious reasons, MARRIAGE between same sex partners will NEVER be accepted.
The best homosexuals and lesbians can hope for, is a civil union that will guarantee them the same rights and privileges that a marriage contract does.
I refuse to judge their lifestyle choice, and refuse to be part of the hypocrisy that judges them. They have as much right to happiness as everyone else.
Also, why should only a married couple be miserable when they have problems? Seriously though, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, and the purpose of marriage is to provide an environment where procreation and the raising of children can be fostered. A civil union couple can provide MOST of the same things ... however ... because of religious bigotry and religious reasons, MARRIAGE between same sex partners will NEVER be accepted.
The best homosexuals and lesbians can hope for, is a civil union that will guarantee them the same rights and privileges that a marriage contract does.
I refuse to judge their lifestyle choice, and refuse to be part of the hypocrisy that judges them. They have as much right to happiness as everyone else.
The Other Guy
Spam King
wow, I think everyone agrees with Chief Bones!
Homosexuals can hope for more, but it's unlikely.
Homosexuals can hope for more, but it's unlikely.
pixiedustboo
Redfidelboo
Hopefully marriage will never be accepted. I'm not as sure as you are.
I agree on all comments above.
senojekips
Active member
Quick, get help. I think Chief Bones is having one of his "Turns" :lol:
I beg the question in all seriousness, Why do you consider that straight "Married" couples were originally given the recognition in law that they enjoy? Now, I am talking purely about the recognition "in law" nothing to do with religion.
I beg the question in all seriousness, Why do you consider that straight "Married" couples were originally given the recognition in law that they enjoy? Now, I am talking purely about the recognition "in law" nothing to do with religion.
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AZ_Infantry
Active member
THIS. Excellent post and explains my personal contentions well: That I won't bother them, they don't bother me, but they are useless to the species and, thus, marriage becomes a cover-word misnomer in the name of political correctness.
I am a man. Homosexuals don't threaten me because, frankly, they can't. What are they going to threaten? What DOES threaten me is them raising a perfectly normal child to be abnormal/dysfunctional, a problem I, as a parent, have with any parent that doesn't live for what's best for their children. The kids come first, and if your lifestyle instills within them things that are likely to have them ostracized then you, the parent, change. Stop drinking, stop smoking crack, get a better job, use money more wisely, move to another area, stop seeing other men.
Let them have their civil union is that's what they need to feel equal and yet special. But marriage is a biblical principal of a life-long commitment of love and child rearing between a man and a woman propagating the species - hopefully for the better.
As a society, we must be careful to keep equality equal. And yes, everyone has a right to equality, to the same pursuits of happiness as the rest of us. Where we go wrong and begin the slippery slope is when I, a straight, white, Christian man, apply for a job and that job is denied to me because someone somewhere said that position has to be filled with a woman, or a homosexual, or a black... You get the point.
This is the honorable intent of equality gone awry - where we've simply switched discrimination sides, not ended the discrimination (which should be everyone's goal). I think a civil union is an acceptable compromise for this particular fight for equality.
Missileer
Active member
Most of you folks have an eye-opening experience ahead of you if you desire to work for big industry. Our company has many programs set up by the leadership councils at every corporate level. These programs are company sponsored peer groups where different religions, races, colors, and lifestyles have regular meetings on such subjects as how to "fit in" or respect others as well as what is acceptable behavior in a corporate environment.
I stopped counting how many groups there are but one is the "gay, lesbian, transgender, and transsexual" organization. There are many orgs such as Pacific Islanders, African Americans, Latin Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Rim countries, several women's groups, Muslim groups, handicapped groups, and more being added.
At first, my thought was "why do they get a group and there are no white American males?" After attending several anti discrimination classes (several per year) as a part of our required training hours, I realized that the aim is to educate the minority represented as well as "normal" people as to how to work together as a team. There are no marches, banners, demands, or demonstrations of any kind by any employee, that's a firing offense, concerning their perceived rights.
When I worked on the parent research program for what was to become the eyes for the "Predator" the head project engineer was the president of the gay, lesbian, transsexual, transgender group. Good, cerebral, engineer who isn't "swishy" or any different, business wise, as anyone else on the team.
If you expect to have a career in most large defense companies, you have to readjust a few pre-conceived ideas about your co-workers and accept that you are all there to do the best job possible or hit the bricks.
I stopped counting how many groups there are but one is the "gay, lesbian, transgender, and transsexual" organization. There are many orgs such as Pacific Islanders, African Americans, Latin Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Rim countries, several women's groups, Muslim groups, handicapped groups, and more being added.
At first, my thought was "why do they get a group and there are no white American males?" After attending several anti discrimination classes (several per year) as a part of our required training hours, I realized that the aim is to educate the minority represented as well as "normal" people as to how to work together as a team. There are no marches, banners, demands, or demonstrations of any kind by any employee, that's a firing offense, concerning their perceived rights.
When I worked on the parent research program for what was to become the eyes for the "Predator" the head project engineer was the president of the gay, lesbian, transsexual, transgender group. Good, cerebral, engineer who isn't "swishy" or any different, business wise, as anyone else on the team.
If you expect to have a career in most large defense companies, you have to readjust a few pre-conceived ideas about your co-workers and accept that you are all there to do the best job possible or hit the bricks.
mmarsh
Active member
My feeling are they same as most others, although for different reasons.
I see no reason to deny gays a civil-union and all the legal rights of a married couple.
As a 'marriage' however its trickier. The institute of Marriage is primary a religious ceremony. And well, just about every faith I can think of views homosexuality as a sin. At best its tolerated, and worst its a death sentence. Unless religion were willing to revise its views on the question (extremely unlikely) I think it would be hard to justify a 'marriage'. One thing is clear, society is not ready for gay marriage. I would advise the gay community not to press the issue on this. They are absolutly entitled to civil rights, but the right to get married isn't a civil right, its a religious ceremony.
One final point. Many people use the gay marriage issue as a platform for homophobia. I (and I believe most people here) simply oppose gay marriage on theoritical grounds, but there are some that use the issue to pass a message of hatred.
I see no reason to deny gays a civil-union and all the legal rights of a married couple.
As a 'marriage' however its trickier. The institute of Marriage is primary a religious ceremony. And well, just about every faith I can think of views homosexuality as a sin. At best its tolerated, and worst its a death sentence. Unless religion were willing to revise its views on the question (extremely unlikely) I think it would be hard to justify a 'marriage'. One thing is clear, society is not ready for gay marriage. I would advise the gay community not to press the issue on this. They are absolutly entitled to civil rights, but the right to get married isn't a civil right, its a religious ceremony.
One final point. Many people use the gay marriage issue as a platform for homophobia. I (and I believe most people here) simply oppose gay marriage on theoritical grounds, but there are some that use the issue to pass a message of hatred.
senojekips
Active member
Hmmmm....
To me, this is exactly the type of Politically Correct clap trap that demonstrates it's own stupidity.
I fail to see how emphasizing peoples differences by pigeon holing them into their own little groups no matter what you say to them and others, makes them work better as a team. They may work better as a team of "one legged gay stamp collectors", but this does not integrate them into the group as a whole, which I thought was the whole purpose of the exercise.
All people within a company, or other working group should be treated as one homogeneous group, after all that is what a "team" is.
As for changing the views of their peers, that is also PC rubbish. I worked for some years with a bloke who was an avid horse racing fan, now,... I had absolutely no interest in this subject and he talked about it non stop. No amount of "training" or classes of any kind could make me interested in this subject and it is the same with all other self interest groups.
The above notwithstanding, I still respected the man as a human being, and we worked together very well. But,.... there was no way that I could possibly be made to empathise with the love of his life.
This is a perfect example of social engineering gone haywire.
Simply throwing my two cents in as well:
The only reason that this distinction between a "civil union" and a "marriage" is an issue in the first place is the difference in benefits on both the federal and state level. Benefits for civil unions are outlined on a state to state basis and for that reason are all different, however, of course civil unions really have no benefits under the federal government. The gay community is pushing the issue because they want the same benefits that heterosexual marriages recognized by law receive. That is the issue- not religious beliefs. Like some a you have already stated, it doesn't really matter if it's a civil union or a marriage, (each religion has its own set of beliefs of course) but most view homosexuality as wrong anyway. It's all about the benefits and money involved. That's why some people would rather it be recognized as a marriage instead of a civil union.
Here's a place on about.com that outlines the differences in benefits if you are interested in finding out exactly what I'm referring to:
http://gaylife.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/f/civilmarriage.htm
Military Girl
The only reason that this distinction between a "civil union" and a "marriage" is an issue in the first place is the difference in benefits on both the federal and state level. Benefits for civil unions are outlined on a state to state basis and for that reason are all different, however, of course civil unions really have no benefits under the federal government. The gay community is pushing the issue because they want the same benefits that heterosexual marriages recognized by law receive. That is the issue- not religious beliefs. Like some a you have already stated, it doesn't really matter if it's a civil union or a marriage, (each religion has its own set of beliefs of course) but most view homosexuality as wrong anyway. It's all about the benefits and money involved. That's why some people would rather it be recognized as a marriage instead of a civil union.
Here's a place on about.com that outlines the differences in benefits if you are interested in finding out exactly what I'm referring to:
http://gaylife.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/f/civilmarriage.htm
Military Girl
senojekips
Active member
I agree 100%.
That is why I feel that homosexual pairs should not be recognised in law as either "Marriages" or "Civil Unions". Straight couples receive benefits because they are "breeding" if you will, and thereby advancing our society, hopefully raising a new generation of workers and taxpayers.
03USMC
Active member
Thats any job connected to the Gov IN ANYWAY. In 2 weeks I get to do my 16 hrs in "diversity training" to better understand and relate to ethnic/cultural/lifestyle groups which I may encounter. This years target group....Hispanics. No problemo:cowb:
AZ_Infantry
Active member
That should be an easy class.
"How to work with illegal aliens, 101:
Point to shovel, point to area you want dug, widen arms for depth..."
Sorry.
senojekips
Active member
I've got no beef with Hispanics, so long as they don't want their homosexual unions recognised in law.:wink: