Churchill's rage over the loss of Singapore - Page 5




 
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November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
I know I'm stupid, but I find it very odd that the inventors of Radar and the big gun would be defeated by the Germans who started operating Radar much later and with shorter range cannon, not to mention much shorter range than the Swordfish. The fact is the Germans had many fewer ships but they always were in the right spot, while the very many British battleships, battlecruisers, submarines and even the cruisers and destroyers (Taffy 3's destoyers damaged with their torpedoes a Cruiser in a huge fleet) were always in the most stupid locations.
By the way rate of fire is pretty similar in naval artillery, but of course if you have 1 out of 22 ships and the Germans have 2 out of 6 ships, they will defeat you every time. Only when the Bismarck was inmobilized did they gather a whole fleet to sink it.

Wasn't Prince of Wales quite new? yet it performed dismally. How can a newcomer in ship building design better ships that the brilliant RN?
No matter how superior the German ships were, in the end the Royal Navy put the big ships of the Kriegsmarine out of action. None of them was able to create a lot of damage to the supply ships comming to England. The U-boats were far better at that , but at a great loss. 75% of the sailors didn't return.
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by 42RM
@Sam
Here is something to think about.

Operational problems are usually the least interesting part of war. The saying is that amateurs talk about tactics but professionals talk about logistics. Battles, especially naval battles or air attacks, may be over in minutes, while many hours, days, weeks, or months may have passed in preparation. An interest in military history can begin at the opposite ends of tactics and strategy, but then as one moves towards the interface of the two, more and more operational details begin to get filled in. The level of detail in life can be almost infinite. Someone reads a map wrong and gets lost, a signal is misunderstood, etc., and the military advantage changes. Once an actual war starts many of the characteristics that make for success in peace quickly become either irrelevant or disastrous liabilities

To the historic dismay of many generals and admirals, it is not always one's strategy that brings on a battle. One or more side merely blunders into it, just because they happen to be in certain places at certain times. Of course, they are often in those places because they intend to be there for some strategic purpose. Or they may be there because they think they are someplace else, for some strategic purpose, but then happen to be there by accident or because they got lost. Such occasions of absurd mischance have often led to the most weighty and historic consequences. Strategy, therefore, is merely intention. All the strategic insight in the world will accomplish nothing without the operation to put it into effect. The operation, however, then takes on a life of its own. The ability to do all that one intends to do in a military operation is rarely possible, even for the most competent, disciplined, and well supplied armies and navies.
That reminds me of some kind of a saying. The only thing you are sure about a plan is that it is wrong. An the only thing that you are sure about when you don't have a plan is disaster.
November 30th, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
Wow, the British navy had lots of either old ships with experienced crews or brand new ships with inexperienced crews that were always in the wrong place. While the Germans had a few, better, modern ships with better radar and experienced young crews and were always in the right place. Is that fate or stupidity.

The Spitfire was available before the war but production was ridiculous. Bad luck.
The British tank and self propelled gun production peaked in 1942 with little over 8,000 tanks, German tank and SPG production peaked in 1944 (lots of bombing and no chromium, manganese, etc,) with over 22,000. Although the British produced far more vehicles, engines, etc, in 1939 than the Germans. Bad luck. etc, etc,
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November 30th, 2011  
lljadw
 
The usual nonsens
December 1st, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
If that is the only word you'll post, at least learn to spell it: nonsense

One big difference between American and British officers is that most American officers came from middle class families, while most British geniuses were Sandhurst aristocrats.
December 1st, 2011  
lljadw
 
wrong,as usual,the aristocrats were a minority at Sandhurst .
And,I will wait (till the calfs are dancing on the ice) on the psychiatric report that's proving that Mountbatten was a retard.
December 1st, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
If that is the only word you'll post, at least learn to spell it: nonsense

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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
Hi 42RM,
I could go into detail, but watch the discovery channel's episode about the Folklands,
Before you jump on others you silly little man, you spelled Falklands FOLKLANDS.

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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
The hole situation in the eastern theater was absurd.
Don't you mean WHOLE? And its spelled THEATRE

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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
One big difference between American and British officers is that most American officers came from middle class families, while most British geniuses were Sandhurst aristocrats.
You are an even bigger idiot then I thought you were. More bullsh!te without any form of checkable facts.

You've got an IQ of 2. Pity it takes 3 to grunt.
December 1st, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Umm so any chance we can stop attacking each other and perhaps try and get things moving again?
December 1st, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Its pointless even trying to discuss sensibly with the cretin with his extremely biased and unfounded views.
December 1st, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Then don't argue it really is that simple lets face it what will 1, 2 or 50 more pages of "you are an idiot", "no you are" posts really achieve.

Personally I think the easiest option is to just let the thread go.
 


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