Which was Churchill's biggest wartime blunder? - Page 7




 
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June 30th, 2007  
Ollie Garchy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
This from the man who kicked this spat off with 'the fat racist'. Not only a weak insult but an absolute lie.

My last post stands for all to see. You asked the questions I answered them. No-one can tell me i don't know what it was like living in post-war England. I will wipe the floor with any of of your so-called experts any day of the week on such matters.

Defeating the Nazis was definitely Britains finest hour, Churchill its finest son. We would still go through hell for him again.

All the negatives were the price Britain paid, and knew that they were called on to pay. That's the nature of greatness. We survived poorer but unenslaved and proud and magnaminous.

All the rest is Destiny.

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Man, I love the lunatic ranting. "Gods I hates 'em akodemiks"! "Zem akodemiks nose nuttin'"
June 30th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
Ollie - did I say I hated Academics? I do not use the word hate. I have never hated anyone. i teach my grandchildren not to use it.

Are your comments a reflection of yourself old chap, cap does not fit here.

My strength and my weakness is that I always understand both sides of the coin, my own and that of my opponent.

I thought you liked quotations and opinions and theories, rather than facts, so I gave you a little treat.

Try not looking down from your pedestal, lest you lose balance.


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June 30th, 2007  
Ollie Garchy
 
 

Topic: Moved


Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
Thank you. I believe that your WW11 question on the quiz establishes that britain was already aware of the evil of the Nazi regime before the start of hostilities.

As for the other 5 questions, please note my responses to Ollie on the same isssues. Thanks again.
I see...I take the time to answer your questions, and you resort to the most childish tactics imaginable. Cool. I thought you wanted a debate. But you only wanted me to state something, that you then did not even read, and then proceeded into some kind of victory dance. Please enlighten me how my answers prove your point of view?

Since this thread is now a circus, how about some more stuff:

Let us look at my statement "fat racist" from this or another thread. I should actually have added the word "drunk". That would make Churchill a "fat drunken racist".



(1) Fat: Churchill was fat. Only people more fat would disagree.

(2) Drunk: Churchill was a drunk. Even the Churchill Center website, that tries to argue that he was a "heavy user", agrees with this view.

(3) Racist: Churchill was a racist. I already proved that point

SOME CHURCHILL Quotes:

a) "I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism" - Speaking in the House of Commons, 1937.

b) "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes" - Writing as president of the Air Council.

c) "I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race...has come in and taken its place" - Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937.

d) "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate...I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed" - Churchill to Asquith, 1910.

e) "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievements. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations" - From 'Great Contemporaries', 1937.

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/....cfm?pageid=99
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June 30th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
The post of mine you quote was intended for Doppleganger, not you, which was why i thanked him. So we have been treated to a second dose your tirade re fatness, drunkeness and anything other that the murderous Nazi regime that defiled Germany and was confined to ashes by Winston Churchill.

One fat drunken racist Englishman was enough to bring down the third reich, according to you.
July 12th, 2007  
Young Winston
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Well here is something a little different I think one of his bigger screw ups was ordering a halt to operation Compass and diverting troops from the desert army to the Greek campaign before they captured Tripoli and drove the Italians from the African theatre thus ensuring a foothold for the Afrika Korps and a further 2 years of fighting.
Yes, it was one of his shockers. The ANZACS paid a high price here too.
September 3rd, 2007  
LeEnfield
 
 
The problem with many of the quotes used are from a different era. Agreed Churchill drank and enjoyed a drink along with millions of other people, but I have never seen a report or spoken to any one that has seen him drunk, so just where did this drunk business come from. Now as we grow older we are all inclined to put on a bit of weight but it not seem to slow him down any.
now for an alleged drunk he wrote a large number of books, did some great paintings, taught him self brick laying, wrote and delivered some of the worlds all time great speeches, was good politician and parliamentarian, he a good grasp of world events and for saw trouble looming long before many other people, he was soldier of some note and also a war correspondent of even a bigger note. For those he would like to stand there and have a go about him all i can say if you can do just a fraction of what managed then I will listen to what you have to say
September 3rd, 2007  
Del Boy
 
LeEnfield - as a totally unbiased onlooker on this subject I must say that I agree with your post completely. Yes, he was a big drinker, from a big-drinking culture. But I never heard of him being in any way incapacitated. He lived actively to a ripe old age, and served as a Parliamentarian for a great many senior years. He was very mature when he became PM. He was a fantastic inspirational leader for his people, who are quoted at the worst moments of the Lutwaffe blitzkreig in 1940 as looking at the rubble of their homes and saying to each other 'Churchill will save us'. This attitude accounts largely for the stoicism they developed throughout the conflict, and which served so well re. the IRA bombing and which we may have to rely on again in our current situation.
September 19th, 2008  
Papashah41
 
That is a hard question to answer. Though Churchill did blunder many times, he was the only one in Europe smart and brave enough to defy Adolph Hitler. And he began this long before the hostilities in 1939. Whenever I hear the words blunder and Churchill in the same sentence I think of Gallipoli. But I think the question deals only with WW2. Let us list some blunders. Posting General Percival to protect Singapore. Putting extra troops into Hong Kong instead of taking them out. Sending the Prince of Wales and the Repulse to Singapore without proper carrier protection. Relieving the Auk after his victory and flogging Montgomery onto an unsuspecting world. Whoops. that's my personal view, can't be doing that. Well O.K. it doesn't look good but there is something about the old bulldog I admire. And quoting Del Boy, he was an amazing Inspirational leader.
September 19th, 2008  
errol
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Papashah41
That is a hard question to answer. Though Churchill did blunder many times, he was the only one in Europe smart and brave enough to defie Adolph Hitler. And he began this long before the hostilities in 1939. Whenever I hear the words blunder and Churchill in the same sentence I think of Gallipoli. But I think the question deals only with WW2. Let us list some blunders. Posting General Percival to protect Singapore. Putting extra troops into Hong Kong instead of taking them out. Sending the Prince of Wales and the Repulse to Singapore without proper carrier protection. Relieving the Auk after his victory and flogging Montgomery onto an unsuspecting world. Whoops. that's my personal view, can't be doing that. Well O.K. it doesn't look good but there is something about the old bulldog I admire. And quoting Del Boy, he was an amazing Inspirational leader.
After reading more about Churchill's life and times, I think he got the bum rap for Gallipoli. Many others could also take equal share of the blame for getting into this mess.

I believe his biggest blunder was Anzio. He pushed and pushed for it when many others were very worried about the plan and believed it could be bloody disaster. Well, it was bloody and a near disaster.
September 19th, 2008  
perseus
 
 
Like Gallipoli, Anzio could have been successful given the correct ground commanders. I blame Clark most of all, if he had followed orders instead of going for Rome he could have cut off a fair proportion of the German army. Amazed he got away with this.