Originally Posted by Sexybeast

en....then U.S jet fighters all copied from german ones then...
u cannot view a thing that way, copying is a skill too, India tries to copy t-72, yet their hundreds of gun barrels got bursted during training..
(according to globalsecurity.org)

chinese have lots of home-designed good weapons recently,

and most of them are not in line with soviets weapons, and go check the Globalsecurity.org again....like new tanks, new anti-tank missiles..other missiles...laser blinding tech and other new toys

Yes the US used German planes as a building block, on the other hand 98% of everything China makes is a cheap copy. I would say thats the Chinese military doctrine, copy the west.

"chinese have lots of home-designed good weapons recently,"

I haven't personally seen anything well made chinese production, not weapons, not other products. The most of chinese quality and engineering are on the same level as "russian assvibrator"* but even worse.

Chinese don't have or obey any western ISO-standards, sertifications or quality control in manufacture and alone that tells a lot about chinese made stuff compared to western made. It is really bad and i say that with personal experiment.




*Russian assvibrator:
-Doesn't fit in ass
-Doesn't vibrate (engineer humor)

Big-Z

do u have any evidence that CHina made 98% of cheap copy..or source?
how did u get 98%?

how do u define cheap..? how do u know the price to make those things..

how about chinese missiles...the third conutry in the world to send humans up to space know lots of missile tech...are those craps?


plz find some support for ur comment before u make it

chinese weapons a crude cheap copy of soviet weapons???

to many who have known people or from the news that type 56 aks are crappy, thats because those who recieve them, usually iraqis and other nations that has it after china abandoned them, was not well cleaned and thereby it is in bad quality

the stereotypical chinese made things which are cheap and ruddy has nothing to do withte chiense industry or the chiense people, thats justr racist

in fact, u can blame ur global coporations for giving low quality supplies and crude machinery that produced these shoody goods


"almost all chinese rockets copied from russia"

wut about chinese ancient rockets eh??? we were the first to invent them

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/artillery/mlrs/a100.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/artillery/mlrs/273.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/artillery/mlrs/122.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/artillery/mlrs/130.asp

these are chiense made and they are pretty effective

i suggest you guys visite this site before u make another post about chinas military http://s3.invisionfree.com/PLA_MILIT...owtopic=1&st=6

Originally Posted by Snauhi

ok we all know that sinodefence is a pro-chinees site, please dont give that site and say that China has the best... whatever..


All Chinees multi-rocket launchers are copies from russian once.

well i also know u r pro russian too, so what u said is unrealiable? if wat u said its true then what i said its also true.

not exactly, it was in the 50-70s. not anymore, the chinese have made thier own tank Type 98G also known as ZTZ 99. which is a chinese design. it is alos the first to use laser, check sino defense.

btw why do u think that site is pro chinese? if u read about the weapons like the soviet ones, the site even says its poor. perhaps the russians isnt that great either.

also 1700 modern tank is gd enough. 5000 can be dismantle and those metals can be use to build other weapons.

if u r talking about copying, the west copy gunpowder and paper too. everyone copy everyone, the west copy alot fo german weapons and tactics too, even russia and the US hace copied german jet planes and V2 rocket designs. and all the far east countries copied china. only these 200 recent years fall behind compare to others.

i am glad that my thread has create an interest in people about china's military discussions.

i would say the site is neutral. some chinese weapons are quite good nowadays.

Yup and Chinese weapons can be expected to get better and better.
Some of the top engineering students at American universities are Chinese and no doubt a good deal of these people will be drawn back to China for the prestige of playing an important part in their country's drive for Super Power status.

"do u have any evidence that CHina made 98% of cheap copy..or source?"

This starts to be a bit offtopic and is more about manufacturing technology than chinese weapon systems but all equipment's quality has very straight relationship to the level of manufacturing technology and it's capability.

Actually all chinese made things, except western developed things made in western factories stationed in China. I got a good Nokia handsfree made in China but in Nokia's factory and designed by finns.

China doesn't obey any western ISO -standards, -sertifications or quality control wich primary purpose is to guarantee the level of quality and take all crap out of manufacturing line and isn't let to markets and consumer's hands. That tells enough about chinese quality and manufacturing technology. I know, there is many western corporations in China and they obey all ISO-standards and sertifications and quality control works but those corporations make everything else but don't manufacture weapons for chinese.

I got some own experiments about chinese made weapons for example Norinco made type56, manufactured in 2000 century: Quality 100% crap compared to any western made weapon. Instead of chinese corporations, i can whenever rely to european SAKO's, FN's, SIG's, H&K's or US Colt's and Bushmaster's productions, and when i get one of them my hands, i know i have got first class quality since no of them manufactures or sells crap.

However chinese weapons may look good and modern but was weapon's type what ever, they are made on the same manufacturing lines with the same machines, by the same workers and with the same quality control as my example of type56. For now, chinese quality is far away from western one.

Originally Posted by EuroSpike

"do u have any evidence that CHina made 98% of cheap copy..or source?"

This starts to be a bit offtopic and is more about manufacturing technology than chinese weapon systems but all equipment's quality has very straight relationship to the level of manufacturing technology and it's capability.

Actually all chinese made things, except western developed things made in western factories stationed in China. I got a good Nokia handsfree made in China but in Nokia's factory and designed by finns.

China doesn't obey any western ISO -standards, -sertifications or quality control wich primary purpose is to guarantee the level of quality and take all crap out of manufacturing line and isn't let to markets and consumer's hands. That tells enough about chinese quality and manufacturing technology. I know, there is many western corporations in China and they obey all ISO-standards and sertifications and quality control works but those corporations make everything else but don't manufacture weapons for chinese.

I got some own experiments about chinese made weapons for example Norinco made type56, manufactured in 2000 century: Quality 100% crap compared to any western made weapon. Instead of chinese corporations, i can whenever rely to european SAKO's, FN's, SIG's, H&K's or US Colt's and Bushmaster's productions, and when i get one of them my hands, i know i have got first class quality since no of them manufactures or sells crap.

However chinese weapons may look good and modern but was weapon's type what ever, they are made on the same manufacturing lines with the same machines, by the same workers and with the same quality control as my example of type56. For now, chinese quality is far away from western one.

do u know how old type 56 is? it is in the 60s, and do u know 50-60 years ago 99% chinese are farmers?

chinese places their military very importantly, do u really think they wont have a standard?

today is different, there are alot of engineers studying around the world, as red neck said, alot of them are exceptional.

you got ot know foreign compains do bring technology and also experience. i think the whole world pretty much uses chinese industry. if the chinese can make products to suit the west, do u really think they cant make weapons like the west? i mean sure, chinese tech is not as gd as western tech and their weapons are not as good. but it seems ur have underestimated chinese manufactouring ablility very highly.

if the chinese are poor in manufacturing, how the heck u think they could launch someone into space? produce Su 27, Type 98G etc???

dun use sources over 2-3 years old. its not relaible at the rate china is growing.

"do u know how old type 56 is? it is in the 60s, and do u know 50-60 years ago 99% chinese are farmers?"

Doesn't matter when stamped manufacturing year is 2000.

"if the chinese are poor in manufacturing, how the heck u think they could launch someone into space? produce Su 27, Type 98G etc???"

Even norinco kills, if hits.

"dun use sources over 2-3 years old. its not relaible at the rate china is growing."

I know things are changing but major changes don't happen in a few years.

gingerbeard what is the chinees main assault rifle that soldiers have?