Originally Posted by HERO

I think China underestimates Taiwan..
Even if China's PLA landed on Taiwan, they'll get surrounded in no time by Taiwanese forces.
It's not easy to fight in buildup area -- especially in big and complicated city areas in Taiwan.
China may look big on the map compared to Taiwan. But in military power, size of the country doesn't really count.

No one in PLA takes taiwanese seriously, the problem is the big daddy usa of taiwan

Relax, there will be no war across Taiwan Straits, most taiwanese only care about making living, so called taiwan independence of those dirty politicians can bring for taiwanese people nothing but complete destruction, and the majority of taiwanese ppl are smart enough

63% of Taiwanese Favor Peace Deal With China: Poll

Friday July 23, 7:37 AM
63% of Taiwanese Favor Peace Deal With China: Poll
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040722/16/3lw7s.html

TAIPEI, July 23 Asia Pulse - Sixty-three per cent of Taiwan people are in favor of signing a peace treaty with mainland China under which Beijing promises not to invade Taiwan and Taiwan promises not to declare independence for the next 50 years, a new survey published Thursday showed.
The survey on the perception of Taiwan people on Taiwan Strait security was conducted by National Chengchi University at the commission of the prestigious magazine "Business Weekly, " and collected 1,811 effective samples. The survey had a margin of error of 2.3 per cent.

The survey found that 51 per cent feel cross-strait relations have been poor over the past year, compared with 33 per cent who have no opinion, and 15 per cent who said that relations are good. Sixty-four per cent believe that there won't be a war in the next three years, compared with 11 per cent who said war would break out.

If Taiwan creates a new constitution in 2006, 38 per cent said war would not happen, compared with 28 per cent who said there would be war.

However, if Taiwan announces independence, 58 per cent believed that there would be a war, compared with 21 per cent who said that this would not be the case.

Fifty-one per cent of those polled also said that if cross-strait war erupts, the United States would come to Taiwan's aid, compared with 23 per cent who think that the U.SUMMARY. won't make such a move. If the U.S. won't assist Taiwan, 59 per cent said that Taiwan is incapable of defending itself, while 26 per cent disagreed.

The survey also found that if Taiwan announced independence through democractic process, and mainland China decided to attack Taiwan, 47 per cent think that Taiwan shouldn't fight with mainland China to preserve its democracy and independence, compared with 34 per cent who are in favor of a fight.

In the triangular Washington-Beijing-Taipei relations, 52 per cent said that Taiwan should maintain friendly relations with Beijing and Washington simultaneously, compared with 16 per cent who said that it would be best for Taiwan to maintain friendly relations with the United States, and less than 10 per cent who think that to maintain friendly relations with mainland China would be best for Taiwan.

Thirty-four per cent favored the status quo, advocating making decisions later, compared with 24 per cent who are in favor of maintaining the status quo forever, 14 per cent who are in favor of maintaining the status quo and moving toward independence, 11 per cent who are in favor of maintaining the status quo and moving toward unification. The ratio of those who favor "unification as soon as possible, " and "independence as soon as possible" account for less than 10 per cent, respectively.

Meanwhile, several scholars spoke about the results of the survey.

Chien Hsi-chieh, executive director of the Peacetime Foundation of Taiwan, said that future cross-strait relations is a grave issue, and if mainland China chooses to resolve the cross-strait impasse by force, it will destroy mainland China's "peaceful emergence" theory and destabilize the Asia-Pacific region and world peace.

Shih Ming-teh, a former chairman of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party, said that he has traveled to 70 countries and none of the people he has met has ever said that Taiwan is anything other than an independent, sovereign nation.

According to Shih,

although most countries don't maintain diplomatic relations with Taiwan, this does not mean that Taiwan doesn't exist. As Taiwan is already a sovereign independent country, there is no question of announcing its independence, he said, stressing that everyone wants peace and that anti-war is universal value.

On Singapore Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's comments on Taiwan after his recent trip to the country that Taiwan focuses too much on domestic issues and ignores changes in the international community, Shih also said that of the top brass of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party, only Vice President Annette Lu has shown more concern with international affairs, while President Chen Shui-bian and three of his right-hand men -- Presidential Office Secretary-General Su Tseng-chang, Premier Yu Shyi-kun and Kaohsiung Mayor Frank Hsieh -- care less about international affairs than for party and local matters.

(CNA)



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8) Taiwan is an independent country. It has its own government and administration and military.
Chinese Communist government has no right to say that the island belongs to China.
It is as absurd if Taiwan says that mainland China is theirs.
The same way, it is wrong for China to say that Taiwan belongs to China.

Originally Posted by HERO

8) Taiwan is an independent country. It has its own government and administration and military.
Chinese Communist government has no right to say that the island belongs to China.
It is as absurd if Taiwan says that mainland China is theirs.
The same way, it is wrong for China to say that Taiwan belongs to China.

So, Taiwan is an Independent Country, so your Singapore established Diplomatic Relationship with the Independent Taiwan Country?

What are you afraid of if you don't have diplomatic relationship with Taiwan?

Your PM is also like coward, who dares not to establish the Diplomatic Relationship with the Independent Taiwan Country.

Talking is cheap, action counts

Enough! Flying Frog, controll your self before I have to take action. There will be no personal insults.

Originally Posted by FlyingFrog

Talking is cheap, action counts

I think you are exactly right flying frog. Sherman, im locking the post until someone comes to their senses. about three days ought to do it.

PM me when you all come down off the wall, y'all.

okay, i think 1.5 days will do..that and that hilarious troll post convinced me you guys got your sense of humor back...

man.. that was like a blockade...!
a trade sanction!

Im glad your amused, SAINT. Next time I need to calm things over im locking this one for good.

Men, when you didn't lose your temper, you both are good Mods, my thumbs up for you all

Oh yah, I read Taiwanese sources again, their leaders are already planning for Escape Routes for their lives in case the war breaks out, something like flee to Philipines


Oh Sherman, when I am "fighting" against HERO/SAINT, you can simply take a seat and sit down watching, I and HERO are both Chinese, one from Mainland China another from Singapore, teeth even bite teeth let alone 2 Chinese men, heihei

Admin: Please don't double post..

Flying Frog.. we are from different countries and we are completely different in our ideology. It's just like North and South Korea.

I am brought up in a democratic society and our administration is mainly adopted from the British way of government. During schooling years from age 7 onwards till 17 or 18, we as Singapore citizens recite our pledge every morning to build a democratic society regardless of race, language and religion -- during school assembly before we go to classes.

That's how we are brought up and that's what we believe -- in democracy and in our constitution. 8)