China and North Korea explain the importance of human rights

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Chine&NorthKorea save Human Rights?
They are kidding me.
I don,t believe UN.
Yes,human right is very important.
But what,s this?NK&Chine support it!
Ⅰ know,You want to say[but SK supports it too.]
South korea?
These days,SK is already occupied by communist.
Even President is spy of NK.
I cannot distinguish the school in the north and the south.

Good bye Justiceless UN.You are already dead
 
I'm trying to link the articles to the credo that you should abolish the UN. Isn't that article about discrimination true? If you read the comments posted underneath, people seem to agree with it. And being called Gai-jin myself.... well, it isn't a false statement. You can't solve it, but you can point it out.

And a question to you Phoenix, what alternative would you like to see? Eliminating to world of the UN is one thing, but how to deal with global matters? Sending in the military can't be the answer to everything, right? You can actually talk to eachother once in a while...
 
I understand your point Sandy, and it would make my skin crawl too if they were my neighbours. But I'll I pointed at was the first article which takes a closer look at the discrimination in Japan.

As I said to, they could have singled out almost all nations of the world. Name me 1 nation were there isn't discrimation.... I can't!
 
sorry,Ⅰ took misroad.
but,this discrimination plobrem is made by Discriminated people.
This means "positive discrimination"
They can receive social welfare that is exempted from the tax and is rich.
And, when mass communication try to report this, they annoy and stop.
I cannot permit these hypocrites.
Yes,we should fight against racism.
But,wait.
Should Anti socialism movements be allowed under name of human rights?
 
No I don't think anti- socialism should be allowed under the name of Human Rights. I think that the HR issue has got little to do with that. Of course some political systems cause more concern on the HR topic but in general HR should not be mixed up with anti-socialism or socialism for that matter!
 
I would try to get the HR issues done by an independent and objective, non-governmental body.
If local politicians or other civilians decide in these matters, then I'm afraid that "power-plays" will be played. Old feuds will be used to put antagonists out of play. The problem is; where do you get such a body and how to keep in credible?
 
Re: China and North Korea explain the importance of human ri

sandy said:
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=354600
http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/wm759.cfm

Chine&NorthKorea save Human Rights?
They are kidding me.
I don,t believe UN.
Yes,human right is very important.
But what,s this?NK&Chine support it!
Ⅰ know,You want to say[but SK supports it too.]
South korea?
These days,SK is already occupied by communist.
Even President is spy of NK.
I cannot distinguish the school in the north and the south.

Good bye Justiceless UN.You are already dead

Mod edit = Another offensive comment deleted.
 
I believe Sandy will be interested in reading this: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200511/200511210026.html

The Victims Turn Accomplices by Kim Dae-joong

The core of the Roh Moo-hyun administration consists of people who protested loudly at human rights abuses in the decades when South Korea was a desert in that regard. Many young men and women in those days were beaten during demonstrations, arrested while escaping, some tortured, and a few of them died.
That earned the survivors the decoration they carry on their chests today. The prime minister and other leaders of the administration brag about it now, as who should say, "Where were you when we languished in prison?" and, "Who are you to criticize, when you never said a word then?" What underpins their hold on power today is a national sense that they should be rewarded for the courage with which they protested against the suppression of human rights and fought against the dogmatism and undemocratic practices of the oppressor.

If they gained power, many citizens believed, they would display an unusual sense of mission to improve and safeguard human rights. The government is betraying that trust. It is blind, dumb and speechless to the human rights situation in North Korea. Buoyed by the flow of the times and an awakened civic consciousness, human rights in the South are progressing toward maturity. Needless to say, we still have blind spots in human rights, not least in the case of migrant workers, but awareness of that issue, too, is slowly filtering through our institutions.

We could therefore afford to focus on the appalling plight of our 23 million brethren in the North. For some reason, however, the government stoops to ignoring the human rights situation in the North and reading the faces of Kim Jong-il and his henchmen instead. Last week, it miserably abstained from voting on a UN resolution calling for an inquiry into human rights abuses in the North. Thus the victims of human rights abuses here have turned into accomplices of rights abuses in the North.

Why? Government officials explain they have no choice but to work for improvement of human rights within the general framework of the policy toward North Korea. What is the substance of that policy, and who is it for? Is it for the Kim Jong-il regime? Is it for the Roh administration? If neither, is it for unification? Or for the resolution of the North Korean nuclear problem? The basis of our stance to the North, surely, is to benefit our brethren there. What on earth can be more important than preventing them from being dressed in rags, hungry, beaten and executed?

The ruling party also says it prefers “gradual improvement" to applying pressure right away. They should know from their own experience that gradual improvement in human rights is impossible. There is not a single example in the world where a dictatorship has gradually improved its human rights record and survived. Dictatorships are well aware that once they improve human rights, their powers will be gone. Doesn't the emergence of the Roh administration itself testify to that? The logic is based on a fiction.

Could there be another reason? Perhaps the government has an ulterior motive, hoping for a political gift from the Kim Jong-il regime, such as another inter-Korean summit. They should know that a political handout thus obtained will only plunge the North Koreans into further misery by cementing the regime’s stranglehold. Indeed, it is possible that some want to help the regime survive at any cost, whether the people survive or perish.

The greatest moral crime of the abstention is that it crushes any nascent resistance forces in the North. The desperate efforts of the North Koreans to recover the minimum rights to subsistence and living free from the threat of incarceration in concentration camps and public execution have been dealt a terrible blow by Seoul’s abstention. It calls the very legitimacy of the Roh government into question.

I quote again this urgent appeal from a North Korean defector: "Aid given by South Korea and many relief organizations helps the North Koreans and hence the Kim Jong-il regime survive. In a sense, the aid can be likened to a drug that keeps a dying patient alive. But if the death of North Koreans today can bring a more humane existence for the North Koreans of tomorrow, it would be wiser to stop administering the drug today.”

(englishnews@chosun.com )
 
Re: China and North Korea explain the importance of human ri

Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Haha, this is even funnier than the US politicians preaching human rights while torturing people and killing innocents.

Do you have a website or something to back this up. Your opinion is already evident.
 
Re: China and North Korea explain the importance of human ri

Missileer said:
Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Haha, this is even funnier than the US politicians preaching human rights while torturing people and killing innocents.

Do you have a website or something to back this up. Your opinion is already evident.

Just google USA and torture then search for Bush and "human rights"
 
Re: China and North Korea explain the importance of human ri

Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Missileer said:
Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Haha, this is even funnier than the US politicians preaching human rights while torturing people and killing innocents.

Do you have a website or something to back this up. Your opinion is already evident.

Just google USA and torture then search for Bush and "human rights"

All that brought up was "alleged" and memos from Amnesty International. Nowhere did I find that torture was sanctioned by the President, unlike hundreds of other countries. Google up some pictures of victims of Saddam Hussein if that's your thing. Oh, there were a few beheadings and burning victims alive by al queda.
 
Re: China and North Korea explain the importance of human ri

Missileer said:
All that brought up was "alleged" and memos from Amnesty International. Nowhere did I find that torture was sanctioned by the President, unlike hundreds of other countries. Google up some pictures of victims of Saddam Hussein if that's your thing. Oh, there were a few beheadings and burning victims alive by al queda.

Even if the president hasn't officially sanctioned torture, "innovative methods" of interrogation are allowed, yet nobody discloses what these methods are.

Also, it is well known that torture has occurred in USA Detention Camps with, or without the president's approval. Because of this alone it is hypocritical of US politicians going all preachy about human rights when touring other countries.
 
Back on topic. If you have forgotten what it is go back and reread the first post!

Deathstrike. One thread being locked does not allow you to restart the conversation in a different thread. Last Warning
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When stating the effectiveness of the UN, I believe it is not appropriate to only imply the Militaristic implications to judge its record.

United Nations can not interfere with the internal politics of other nations, or even allow foreign nations to forcefully impose regulations upon another country. This the basic criteria of the UN. The United Nations allows representatives to appeal to an international community. However nations often relate to the questions: Does it worth it? Do we have the resources for it? Or should we get involved in other affairs? How risky? What are the consequences?

Is the UN ineffective in many aspects? Yes. But managing a large international organizations such as the UN is still vital in securing international security, especially for nations who are heavily reliant to UN aide. Merely calling the UN a "dead" organization is a smack at the face to nations who contributed and appealed for aide. And I can assure you, there are still more who are still in need. Hence the UN acts as a Humanitarian Organization.

Countries defining their own Human Rights and own governance differ, so therefore there is an obvious line of misunderstanding.

But nevertheless, Communism has nothing to do with this. It is a matter of political authority.

I see no reason to critisize other countries or to impose their own Human Rights Standards upon others. Which means I advocate this saying, "Keep it to yourself."
 
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5.56X45mm said:
UN - Usless Nitwits

The people I've known who call the UN useless are known to be militant and belligerent. Lets hope you're not one of them. ;-)
 
CABAL said:
The people I've known who call the UN useless are known to be militant and belligerent. Lets hope you're not one of them. ;-)

that's just great. The smiley does little to cover up the smugness of your comment.

While the UN in principal may not be useless it has become largely a good old boys network at this time. I believe that it should be disbanded and re-formed with a new charter with new rules and new people. The current UN is a ship full of bloated clowns taking advantage of the very programs that they themselves administer for personal profit at the expense of those whose interest they are supposed to protect. Those of you who tout the UN and clearly worship the criminal misfits who run it certainly aren't militant. No. I think that recalcitrant bitter sniveling liberal John Kerry / Al Gore shineboys somehow fits the bill a little better.
 
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