China has a aircraft carrier!

Exactly...just add a ramp to one side and you should be able to run harrieres perfectly!
...and at a fraction of the cost of a regular carrier. Granted, you are limited in range because no nuke power, but it is a small price topay, right? Maybe put dynamo's on all the excersize bikes and let the crew do "mandatory" 4 hours excersize each day! hahaha
 
you guys are not seeing the big picture here... an aircraft carrier is more than a flat floating surface...It has many other features. It has long range sensors, a flight control systm and crew, mechanical workshops for the planes, AA defence, air-fule tanks for the aircraft and more. a modified cargo ship might be able to carry aircraf, but it's not an aircraft carrier.
 
SHERMAN said:
you guys are not seeing the big picture here... an aircraft carrier is more than a flat floating surface...It has many other features. It has long range sensors, a flight control systm and crew, mechanical workshops for the planes, AA defence, air-fule tanks for the aircraft and more. a modified cargo ship might be able to carry aircraf, but it's not an aircraft carrier.

I'm sure we understand. The fact remains it's a classified aircraft carrier under China's navy, this topic was meant to be a kick in the pants to everyone who says "China doesn't even have a aircraft carrier". Perhaps now they should say "China has a aircraft carrier... But it's useless". ;)
But you're right sherman... :)
 
Just have it assigned to a high tech warship that will be the command center of the battle group. So basically run all operations off that more sophisticated warship, but have the modified container ship as the flight deck for air operations.
There is no reason why it shouldn't work.

Not as great as having a real aircraft carrier, but for those who cannot afford one, this is a great alternative.
 
I was acctually refering to this:
Exactly...just add a ramp to one side and you should be able to run harrieres perfectly!
...and at a fraction of the cost of a regular carrier. Granted, you are limited in range because no nuke power, but it is a small price topay, right? Maybe put dynamo's on all the excersize bikes and let the crew do "mandatory" 4 hours excersize each day! hahaha
 
That was just in reference to the structure of the ship - not the electronics and storage of ordnance/fuel. Of course a lot more goes into it. All in all, converting an existing structure (thaere are quite a few older tankers lying about for a a few mil, you can still come out far less than the couple billion dollar tag on a new carrier - but I see your point and agree.
 
the_13th_redneck - Maybe you are right, but that ship doesn't have any electonics, sensors, C&C abilities or pretty much anything listed. It doesn't have any VTOL aircraft. All it has is 2 helicopter decks. Therefore if you are really going to call it an aircraft carrier, you pretty much have to call any ASW Cruiser or large tanker/container vessel an aircraft carrier also because they can carry helicopters also.

Just because globalsecurity calls it an aircraft carrier doesn't mean I am going to agree with that classification.
 
I don't know how Global Security got this information. From whom? How? Official and Unofficial reports indicate China lacks an aircraft carrier.

The title of this topic is absolutely ridiculous! Is this some kind of joke?
 
Well what its classified is and what it actually IS are two different things. I mean the US has Wasp Class LHDs that carry Harriers and Helos but technically it is not a carrier.
 
ha ha, well at this point we're just arguing semantics. I just liked the guy who said if you look at the subject of carriers from another angle, the aircraft carriers from all the other countries of the world the U.S. calls Amphibious Assault Ships :D
 
Whispering Death said:
ha ha, well at this point we're just arguing semantics. I just liked the guy who said if you look at the subject of carriers from another angle, the aircraft carriers from all the other countries of the world the U.S. calls Amphibious Assault Ships :D

Yup I've mentioned this earlier.
 
actually, china has two. one of which is in a lake, built for who knows why. I've been on the one in the lake, and its a proper aircraft carrier, with the landing strip and everything. I live in shanghai, and i have to say, china is odd, annoying, and worst of all, communist.
 
A LAKE??? Maybe they felt it was the best place to train a crew on the usage of an aircraft carrier without causing a stir overseas. Then again if you wanted to do that, it would be perfectly possible to just "build" an aircraft carrier into the ground. Meaning You make the ground the deck, and you create everything that the ship would have below deck, underground.
Who knows maybe they wanted to practice building an actual one as well.
 
Yeah, the Kiev is an ex-soviet carrier built in 1975 that the Chinese bought through the South Koreans and now have built into a floating museum.

It's actually so popular that another Chinese firm bought the 1978 Soviet carrier the Minsk that is now a in theme park equiped with resturaunts, nightclubs, and even a swimming pool in Beiyang Harbor.

Most interestingly is the Ukranian (former USSR) carrier Vayarg which was 70% complete in 1992 when the soviet Union collapsed. The Chinese bought it in 2002 suposedly to be made into a casino. It is currently under heavy guard out of public view at Dalian Shipyards for its 'retrofit' into a casino although due to many very odd circumstances surrounding the ship, most naval annalysts believe its primary function is to be used for Chinese R&D into carriers.
 
Those carriers could easily be stripped of those things and used as carriers if need be, but they would only be able to carry obsolete aircraft or top of the line helicopters at best.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Those carriers could easily be stripped of those things and used as carriers if need be, but they would only be able to carry obsolete aircraft or top of the line helicopters at best.

Not really. They need powerplants, turbines, C&C, sensors, weapons, elevators, maintainence equipment, electronics, and not to mention repairs to make the darn things seaworthy and battleworthy.

The Chinese looked at retrofitting an old soviet carrier in the 90s but that turned out to be a dead end and found those carriers are only good for R&D for a future domestic carrier.
 
As I mentioned before, this is if you want a full scale carrier. You can simply use it as a flight deck and aircraft maintenance vessel which is assigned to work with a more sophisticated ship.

I don't know if they have stripped it of the powerplants... but if they did, the question would be where did they put them? And can they be refitted in working condition? Or can new ones be installed within two months?

It must be sea worthy, or else they can't have it floating around as a casino.

Basically if it's REALLY required, it can be done. I think the Chinese felt that if they needed a carrier, they'd look for a real one and not these ancient things.
 
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