China Confiscates Bibles From American Christians

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BEIJING — A group of American Christians who had more than 300 Bibles confiscated by Chinese officials when they arrived in China is refusing to leave the airport until they get the books back, their leader said Monday.
Pat Klein said he and three others from his Vision Beyond Borders group spent Sunday night at the airport in the southwestern city of Kunming after customs officers took the Bibles from their checked luggage.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" said Klein, whose Sheridan, Wyoming-based group distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world.
The Bibles were printed in Chinese, he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.
The move comes as China hosts the Olympics in Beijing, where false media reports last year claimed Bibles would be banned from the games. The state-run China Daily reported last month that 10,000 bilingual copies of the Bible would be distributed in the Olympic Village, which houses athletes and media.
In China, Bibles are legally printed at just one plant — the world's largest — run by a communist government-backed Christian association, and are available in many bookstores. But the officially atheistic government prohibits proselytizing and is worried that if the spread of religion goes unchecked, believers might ultimately challenge the Communist Party's authority.
A woman on duty at Kunming airport's customs office confirmed over the telephone late Sunday that 315 Bibles were found in the passengers' checked baggage.
The officer, who would only give her last name, Xiao, denied confiscating the Bibles. She said authorities were just "taking care" of them and provided no further details. She later said she was not authorized to speak to the media and referred questions to the national customs headquarters in Beijing, which did not answer phones on Sunday.
On Monday morning, Klein said Chinese officials had shown the group what they said were regulations that banned bringing Bibles into China, but that the documents were in Chinese. "We are waiting for them to come back with the law in English," he said.
Chinese officials had asked the Christians to leave the room at the airport where they spent the night, but Klein told the officials they did not want to go without the Bibles.
Klein said the customs officers had told him that they could each have one Bible for personal use, but no more than that. He said the officers had videotaped them and were insisting that they leave the airport.
"We don't want to go without taking those books. It cost us a lot of money to bring them here," Klein said. "They're saying that it's illegal to bring the Bibles in and that if we wanted to, we had to apply ahead of time for permission."
China faces routine criticism for human rights violations and repression of religious freedom. Religious practice is heavily regulated by the Communist Party, with worship allowed only in party-controlled churches, temples and mosques, while those gathering outside risk harassment, arrest and terms in labor camps or prison.
A Chinese Christian activist was detained Aug. 10, the opening weekend of the Olympics, on his way to a church service attended by U.S. President George W. Bush in Beijing. A rights group said later that the activist, Hua Huiqi, a leader of the unofficial Protestant church in Beijing, had escaped from police and was in hiding.
Police have denied any involvement in Hua's disappearance.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405187,00.html
 
Frakking Chi-Coms...... I just can't understand how people are blind to them. They are still a despotic dictatorship. The IOC simply went with Beijing for one reason. Business deals and the simple fact that many of the view China just like many view Cuba and the Soviet Union.... as a utopia when in fact it's a hell hole.
 
IOC is probably thrilled to go along with anything that is anti-American so they put it in China. Hopefully, our next war can kill off some of these types.
 
Frakking Chi-Coms...... I just can't understand how people are blind to them. They are still a despotic dictatorship. The IOC simply went with Beijing for one reason. Business deals and the simple fact that many of the view China just like many view Cuba and the Soviet Union.... as a utopia when in fact it's a hell hole.

regardless, capitalism is coming whether they like it or not, there was just a documentary on discovery about this unstoppable capitalistic force as the Chinese are really just like everybody else....they like having ..........STUFF...and lots of it

I'll try and dig up a link for the doc.
 
Oh... I know Capitalism is hitting the PRC like stink on a monkey but the Government is still the main power in the PRC. China has taken Communism and Fascism and mixed it all together..... You have a socialist communist mindset and a capitalistic society. A variation of what the NSDAP did in Germany expect it has a little more socialistic styling.

Just because they are excepting a capitalistic society doesn't mean that the PRC and it's Government is a hell hole and a black hole where freedom is the only thing that's not available.
 
Well just to make this clear, good for China.

I wish this country would boot every self absorbed religious freak who thinks its their duty to "export" their beliefs as well, religion is a personal thing, you find it for yourself and worship it in your own way but you should not be allowed to force it on anyone else.
 
^^^ I'm with him^^^

As if no one would have guessed.

They're commonly called "God botherers" here. They think they are going to buy their way into heaven by converting heathens.
 
I think the Chinese people should be given credit by their own government for having enough intelligence to make up their own minds about what they choose to believe. If they choose to read the Bible then what's the big deal? What is the big fear? The fact is that they wouldn't even have to accept the free Bibles from this or any other group.
 
Its not a fear as much as a hard sell annoyance, if I thought that all these people were going to do was state their position and go away I wouldn't care but the fact is they follow you up the street after you have told them you are not interested, they park themselves outside schools and "walk or bike" with you and they don't take no for an answer.

Did we see Muslims/Hindu etc. going door to door in Northern Ireland during the trouble there, no but I will bet dollars to donuts that the second wave into Iraq were "Christian missionaries" doing their damnedest to take advantage of the misery and sell god.

I have never yet had my doorbell rung or been followed down the street by Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu or any other damn religion except "Christians".
 
I have never yet had my doorbell rung or been followed down the street by Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu or any other damn religion except "Christians".
I hear Wal-Mart is opening a savior section... could put those guys out of business...

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When you enter a country, you are subject to their laws. I don't care if the law says you aren't allowed to breathe, that is the risk you take for entering that country. The Chinese officials were entirely within their right to confiscate those bibles.
 
Right it's their law. If the Chinese had free will, freedom of religion and such, they probably wouldn't be such a hated enemy now would they?
 
To a degree MontyB, to a degree.
You can say all you want about your government and chances are although you will piss a few people off, you won't be picked up by the government and have your family also brought in for questioning (unless you made a false or real plot to destroy the airport or something).

If you really want to get really technical we really shouldn't have any language or speech because by saying something, it automatically introduces a bias into our thought processes. The instant we say something, we are bigots, racists, sexists and all kinds of awful things.
There's also a line of thought that says if you litter a few times on the street you're exactly the same as the guys who dump industrial waste into rivers by the tons. They're both bad, but they're not exactly the same.
 
To a degree MontyB, to a degree.
You can say all you want about your government and chances are although you will piss a few people off, you won't be picked up by the government and have your family also brought in for questioning (unless you made a false or real plot to destroy the airport or something).

If you really want to get really technical we really shouldn't have any language or speech because by saying something, it automatically introduces a bias into our thought processes. The instant we say something, we are bigots, racists, sexists and all kinds of awful things.
There's also a line of thought that says if you litter a few times on the street you're exactly the same as the guys who dump industrial waste into rivers by the tons. They're both bad, but they're not exactly the same.

No but as has been pointed out earlier these are the rules of the nation and I am happy to live within the rules of the countries I visit no matter how ludicrous I may find some of them.
 
Yes I agree with that point and that is what I said previously.
As for free will... we actually value it, that's the important part. There's the ideal goal, and the reality, but we do require some level of ideal so that the craziness of the real world doesn't make us forget what's important.
 
This issue would be solved if the Chinese officials would just return the Bibles to the group and let the group continue on their way home. No laws would be broken and no property disputed.
 
Exactly. Plus, they know they can get a little satisfaction mistreating our folks over there. Them and Russia seem to play these kind of games at any time possible. I expect this to increase with the new tension between Russia and the West/NATO.
 
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