China chooses guns, not butter

I am not sure how Japan is a real threat to world peace. Seems a bit of a biased opinion to me.

I am not sure how the population of any countries or the quantity of territory any country holds is relevant to this topic other than disputed territories.

All countries have what I like to call a "hidden budget". Monies spent that is not public knowledge. Look to the increase or decrease in the Chinese military and tell me if they are or are not spending extra money that is not accounted for.

As for framing anyone or showing an ugly face. This is a discussion/debate forum. This is where people come to express ideals and ideas and others to disagree or agree. No one is framing anyone.
japan is a theraten to the world peace.
since you do not know exactly ,so i advise you that to know much about japan.
i do not have prejudice against you .belive me.
the reason why i refered the TERRITERIES ,THE POPULATION ,THE ECONOMY,THE NAVY is that i want you to know that japan is a power.
and obviously japan is a threaten in potential,especially towards the american status.
ok , i will calm down latter.
this means that i will not post SUCH WORDS AS "URGLY FACE,ETC"ANY MORE.
i was radical earlier.forgive me ^_^
 
yingying said:
japan is a theraten to the world peace.
since you do not know exactly ,so i advise you that to know much about japan.
i do not have prejudice against you .belive me.
the reason why i refered the TERRITERIES ,THE POPULATION ,THE ECONOMY,THE NAVY is that i want you to know that japan is a power.
and obviously japan is a threaten in potential,especially towards the american status.
ok , i will calm down latter.
this means that i will not post SUCH WORDS AS "URGLY FACE,ETC"ANY MORE.
i was radical earlier.forgive me ^_^

I am ignorant in regards to Japan. Educate me. Tell me (with facts) how Japan is a threat to the world at large and America specifically.
 
Marinerhodes said:
I am ignorant in regards to Japan. Educate me. Tell me (with facts) how Japan is a threat to the world at large and America specifically.
well. who have attacked the us navy using nation power?
who have attacked the us in the 1980s using economic power?
who have still honor the war crimes died world war??
is it germany?

chinese people is more torrent and rational, i know you will not agree. but if learn more about chinese history, you will know it. it is the suffering in the 19th centry and the misunderstand nowadays that make chinese somehow a bit radical
 
zhjsg said:
well. who have attacked the us navy using nation power?
who have attacked the us in the 1980s using economic power?
who have still honor the war crimes died world war??
is it germany?

chinese people is more torrent and rational, i know you will not agree. but if learn more about chinese history, you will know it. it is the suffering in the 19th centry and the misunderstand nowadays that make chinese somehow a bit radical

Ok...still spouting rhetoric and blanket statements.

I am looking for facts.

Honoring the "war criminals" is a matter of opinion and morals. Some say they were doing their job others say they are being martyred. I could care less either way to be honest.

Facts about 1980s attacks via economics. Still waiting.

As for attacking the US with their Navy who ultimately won? Also that was how many years ago? What country in their right minds would attack the US Naval Fleet now?

You seem to have a very biased opinion, one could almost say a hatred, for Japan. Put that aside for a moment and talk rationally.
 
Facts about 1980s attacks via economics. Still waiting.
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the 1985 plaza accord made japanese yen appreciated, if the usa did not made japanese yen appreciated, then now maybe the number one in the world is japan.

japanese people bought all the symble bulidings in america.do you know that ??

japanese cars are running dailiy all in your road.

but the cars of GE is in a bad situation.

if you would like me to tell more fact ,i think it will be better for you to search them .

you should belive me that ::::::i am not lieing!i am giving the truth.

you can say that i am lazy to give you the truth ,but i am not .

all the information i get are writen in chinese ,
if i give it to you ,then i must translated them in to english first ,of course ,this is impossible for my poor english .

if you do insist the facts,would you like the information in chinese\??there is no problem for me to give tou the FACTS,but i can not give them in english to you ,but just in chinese.

if you tanslated them in to english ,it will be ok,for me.


you think that the affairs happaned in HAWEIEI was too long ago ,but the japanese do not think it was a long time ago .

they still remember the soiliders died in that war,they still give them the bniggest honner.


yes, you won in the end.

but do you think it is ok???

many youth died.do you think it is mere a victory can compensate the lost ?????????????????

mothers crying,youth dieing, girls losing their BF,

a mere victory is not good ,it was based on the high costs.
 
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Tibet
Korea
Great Leap Forward(30 million~50million people were dead)
cultural revolution(40million~70million people were dead)
Zhenbao Island
East Turkistan
sino-Vietnamese war
Pol Pot Cambodia
96 Taiwan
and now chinese farmer are・・・・・

They are all caused by china,don,t you?
at least,chi-com killed over 70 million chinese,ha?
The government it does not defend even theri people,can you believe such government?
I know,chinese patriot are all in holl that digged by Red guard or protesting communist now.
Senkaku ploblem?I know,read it.
http://everflower.bokee.com/1192734.html
Daily people 1953
 
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yingying said:
Facts about 1980s attacks via economics. Still waiting.
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the 1985 plaza accord made japanese yen appreciated, if the usa did not made japanese yen appreciated, then now maybe the number one in the world is japan.
PLAZA ACCORD
On September 22nd 1985, finance ministers from the world's five biggest economies - the United States, Japan, West Germany, France and the UK - announced the Plaza Accord at the eponymous New York hotel. Each country made specific promises on economic policy: the United States pledged to cut the federal [SIZE=-1]<A href="http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/alphabetic.cfm?TERM=DEFICIT#DEFICIT">DEFICIT[/SIZE], Japan promised a looser [SIZE=-1]MONETARY POLICY[/SIZE] and a range of financial-sector reforms, and Germany proposed tax cuts. All countries agreed to intervene in currency markets as necessary to get the dollar down. Perhaps not surprisingly, not all the promises were kept (least of all the American one on deficit cutting), but even so the plan turned out to be spectacularly successful. By the end of 1987, the dollar had fallen by 54% against both the D-mark and the yen from its peak in February 1985. This sharp drop led to a new fear: of an uncontrolled dollar plunge. So in 1987 another big international plan, the Louvre Accord, was hatched to stabilise the dollar. Again specific policy pledges were made (the United States to tighten [SIZE=-1]FISCAL POLICY[/SIZE], Japan to loosen monetary policy). Again the participants promised currency intervention if major currencies moved outside an agreed, but unpublished, set of ranges. The dollar promptly rose.
http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/alphabetic.cfm?LETTER=P

It was a few other countries than just the US. It seems things are not so bad as you would paint them.

japanese people bought all the symble bulidings in america.do you know that ??

If you mean they have bought real-estate and the like in the US? Sure. So have many other countries all over the world. China not being the least of them I imagine.

japanese cars are running dailiy all in your road.
but the cars of GE is in a bad situation.

We also have vehicles from other countries as well as US vehicles on our roads. That is the thing about a fair market and international trade. Everyone gets a piece of everyone else's pie.

you should belive me that ::::::i am not lieing!i am giving the truth.
you can say that i am lazy to give you the truth ,but i am not .


I have never accused you of lying friend.
you think that the affairs happaned in HAWEIEI was too long ago ,but the japanese do not think it was a long time ago .
they still remember the soiliders died in that war,they still give them the bniggest honner.

We honor our soldiers that died and served as well. Does that make us bad?

many youth died.do you think it is mere a victory can compensate the lost ?????????????????

People were lost on all sides of the war. No one can compenate for a single life lost. Bit it is the idea of standing up for principles and ideals that you believe in. Right or wrong to the rest of humanity.
 
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when i comes to statiistic, the american intellence tend to exagerate , but we all know for sure that how reliable it is. sometime i feel that web censor is very necessory for china, becoz we all know that no matter how we explain ourself, none of them are going to abandon its anti-china stance. same is true for usa, when a chinese get banned here, they called it a filter, when a foreigner get banned in some chinese forum, they called it web censor.

China and usa have never been at war face to face, , don't be stupid enough as to ignore those japanese intention, history often repeat itself, the japnese want to use the american's hand to fight china, as we all know that none would be able to come out of this alive. so a dog could rule this world despite their not-that-successesfull attempt to destroy all ameircan naval force in the "pearl harbor" during the ww2.

by the way, not all japanese are evil. but those in power are really nazi.
 
so a dog could rule this world despite their not-that-successesfull attempt to destroy all ameircan naval force in the "pearl harbor" during the ww2.

Calling japanese dogs, way to promote your peaceful china view.

but those in power are really nazi.
Yeh they got those free and fair elections bull-crap, dam nazis.

To me a nazi is someone that calls another nationaltie dogs.


Personally, If i had to choose between the chinese and the japanese my decesion would take about .5 seconds.
 
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TO SANDY:
Tibet
Korea
Great Leap Forward(30 million~50million people were dead)
cultural revolution(40million~70million people were dead)
Zhenbao Island
East Turkistan
sino-Vietnamese war
Pol Pot Cambodia
96 Taiwan
and now chinese farmer are
[FONT=宋体]・・・・・[/FONT]

I think you are changing the topic. We are disscussing the topic of who is the real threaten.Iwas showing your inclement purpose,but you shiirk from this,you want to change the topic.Do u know that??And I want to know why are you want to change the topic of this argument.
It is a fact that japan the the real threaten.
I think you will not deny this,ok???


And now you are chganging the topic to the history.Also I have a lot to do with history affairs.Do you think that the historyu of japan is decent ??
Of course not !!!!!!!!!
The most despicbal history in the world is the history of japan..If you like it ,I will tell you ,do you have your couragement to face the contemptible of your people??But please do not deny it.Please do not say that it was past ,it just shows that there is evil gene in the inner of your people.
What did you do in Burma???
What did you do with the russians in the wars??
What did you do with the American captives in the island of Idinanosia???
What did you do with the native people of Taiwan??
What did you do with the commen people in my country??
Do you know that ???

If you like the topic of history,I think it will be ok for me to post a new thread named THE HISTORY OF JAPAN ,do you think it is ok ??????



The following words are both for SANDY and MARINERHODES::::::


NO.1::::::::I do dot want to argue with you Marinehodes,but I just telling the truth.Of couse you can regard my words as nonesense,and I will not care about it if you truly thinlk them as words of nonesense.

NO.2:::::::;the prejudice between USA and CHA
I konw why there are still some people in your country still have prejudice against china.

First we are a commnuist party leading country,so u think that we are the alien from u .We are not the same with u .But u are wrong .We are the same .This is not the question about socialist nor the problem about capitilist no democracy and dictitership but we are not in the same countries!!!It is interests that made us not in the same parts. !!! Because we are not iliving in the same countries.

We konw that the diplomacy of our country in the 1960s was very bad .We know that we should not fight with the u.s. army,partly speaking it is our fault......But the more speaking it is not our fault !!!!!!It is the soviet union who drove us to fight with the u.s. army.We were a backward country then,we have no choice if the soviet union want us to do that, because we have nothing !!!!!!!!!!All the things we were using were made in russia!!!!!!

Generally speaking, we were the tool in the hands of the soviet union in that old days.It is the fault of the soviet union.

And then it is the fault of the commender of the u.s.army Mc .Athur (He was the chief officer of the u.s. in the world war 2 in the pacific battlefield).It is his fault but not the fault of the u.s. government nor the fault of the u.s. soliders!!!!!!In the originally opinion of the u.s. government they want only to drive the north korea army to the N38 line ,but not go on attacking !!But Mc.Athur did not followedthe orders of the u.s. government ,he went on attacking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And even he bombed our teritories!!!!!!!!!!! Mc .Athur is a man who do love war ,who want to see the mother without child ,who want to be a destroyer,though he defeated the japanese in the world war 2 ,but i do not love him .He is a man who do not love peace .

So u may ask why Mc .Athur did not followed the orders of the u.s. government????????

Why ????????

It is his own personel interest !!!We know that when in the 1950 in the u.s. the three chief importent person are TRUMAN ,Eisenhowever and Mc .Athur .Eisenhowever was the chief officer in the world war 2 of the EU part!!So i may ask u this question ::::::::if Mc .Athur want to be the president of the u.s. then who will stand in his way ????It is eisenhowever!!!! Mc .Athur did not as well as Eisenhowever did in the world war 2 !!!!!!So if he want to be the president he must do some others first! And latter in the elections he will have enough political capital to win the president election !!!!!!!

It is not the fault of the u.s. army ,nor the u.s. soliders .nor the chinese force ,,,,but the fault of the soviet union and Mc .Athur himself !!!!!!!

Since we were in the war situation,,so we do not trust each other. We do not communicate much !The prejudices between us were born !We do not know about each other!!!!!!!But we are the same !!!!!!!!

Generally speaking ,we the chinese people do not have bad ideas with the west countries especially with the people from USA and France .It is a fact that :::::it is only the USA country that who did not aggressed our country in the west world .The U.K. aggressed us . The Russia did .The French did .German did .But the u.s. did not do that ..Every common people have good comments about the u.s........And now the most famous university in our country was founded with the aid of the u.s. !!!!!!!!!!!! Fo me i love America !!!It is maybe a history joke that seems to devided us !!!And we the chinese people still remember that there were more than 2000 u.s. air force soliders died in our country in the war anti-japanese.


The prejudice between us was born,but we should melt the prejudice with our warm heart.
It may be just a misunderstanding between us.

We are the same as u .We also do the same thing as you do ,listen to music,do sports,fall in love with a girl ,want a world peaceful , ETC…we are the same !

Also you may ask me ,since we are the same why we still have so many prejudices between us?

I know in your school u were taught that china is a dictiter country ,and the communist is evil ^^^We are not .........I was born in 1984/10/06,i know that when we were young there are still existence of the soviet union .And the old views of cold war in our minds are not easy to change ,and the history books are lagged to the reality !!!!!!!We should see the world in a varying pespective!!!!!!!!!!The history books are the hiers of the cold war. But we are living in the 21 century !

Although it is hard to change for both of us ,but we shoud do that ,or else we will have no future.

We should comunicate much,we should know about much !!!!!!!!And then the goodwill between us will be recevied by each other.

Wellcome u to our country,we are the same with u ,and we are a peace-loving people .If u come here ,then u will know that we are not the same as u had been imagined or you were taught in your school.
 
NO.3:::::: the subject of communism

I do not like the topic of captilism and communism....In my opinion a man who indulges himself in the ideology system is just a man who do not have his own judgement but just a product of his government .
I know that u were taught when u were young that::::communism means evil.Surely when we were young we wre taught that when the soviet union existed!Our history books was the children of the cold war ,and they are far lagged to the reality .....It will be difficult for us to change our old views ,but we should change ,because the world is a varying world,and we shoule see something without prejuice,the persuits of all the man in the world should be see something in a neutral way ,,just like a outsider!.But unfortunately it is difficult for us to do it .But we should strive on this enduring progressing way ^^^^
Try to be an outsider of your own culture ,just like that you are from the MARS ,,what do u think the things in the earth???
we are the bond ay our own culture .


I do not love the commnisM ,and i do not love the government of my country.But i love my people ,i love the people in this areas ,i love my culture , i love the preety girl here ,i love the people called [FONT=宋体]中华民族。[/FONT]The commen people here is the most beautiful people !Ii love them deep in my heart.

Cmmunism doen means evil and destroyer!W live in a harmony styles.Andnow we are in a marketing economic. We are the same .And we are not a communism world...The people here try there best to earn money just as u are doing ......Is it a symptom of communism ??????????We are the same !

We are not as u have been imagined,,and not like what u were taught..

Although we are a so called communist leading country,,but in my opinion we are doing the same as the the traditional captilist did.


I know that both communism and captilism are religion ,and a puppet ,only a mental tool used by the leading parties in order that he- the small interest group will rull easily .

Actually i do not know who is better,the captilism????The communism ??? I do not know!!!!!And i do not want to know....

What i concerns is who will do better for the whole people and for the whole being .


The last leader of the soveit union said:"in 1000 years there will be no communism nor captilism" I think he is right ....he said this when he met with Zedong Mao or Nixon.But he really said this sentence.

Also u should know that u can critisize the communist but u can not critisize the chinese people ,u can stain the communism but that u can not stain the chinese people ,u should know that the progress of china did not produced by communism but by the commen people here ,the commen people who are brave enough ,also clever enough , the commen people here is very good ,they are great.

Every government doing the same things,both communism government and captilism government . They all want to rule easily and smoothly .If u thing that i am wrong ,so just looking at the people in your culture ,most of your guys do have bad attitude towards communism.Do u think it is normal that in the world so many to hate communism while the other part of the world in the world do do hate captilism?????Do you think that they are smart and wise enough ???No! No! No !! All the commen people will be affacted by his government .


Does captilism always right ??? Do not forget that in the 1940s the gap between the rich and the poor were still very high both in japan and usa. The 1907 ecnomic crisis was almost a fatal attack towards USA.

Both communism and captilism have his own drawbacks.If u are just insisting the drawbacks of communism and ignoring the drawbacks of captilism i think it is u who are just in a mental jail of the captilism ideology


Actually i do not think communism is good enough ..also i do not think captilism is good enough either ....I know they are just a tool used by the leading parties,,so that they would rule the country easily .............

In the end:
True communism is good .
But true communism is mere just a daydream.


NO.4:::::

George Washington said that [FONT=宋体]:[/FONT]A people who indulges himself in resent and admiring others is just mere a slave of his own emotion .-----------So let us get rid of old vews.We should change our old views and hope that there will be peace eternal and the MIFHTY bless the lives on the earth.
 
achinese said:
China and usa have never been at war face to face
I know quite a few Korean War veterans who would testify otherwise. Chinese soldiers and American soldiers have fought face to face, muzzle to muzzle and bayonet to bone. Rewriting history perhaps??
 
yingying said:
NO.3:::::: the subject of communism

I do not like the topic of captilism and communism....In my opinion a man who indulges himself in the ideology system is just a man who do not have his own judgement but just a product of his government .
I know that u were taught when u were young that::::communism means evil.Surely when we were young we wre taught that when the soviet union existed!Our history books was the children of the cold war ,and they are far lagged to the reality .....It will be difficult for us to change our old views ,but we should change ,because the world is a varying world,and we shoule see something without prejuice,the persuits of all the man in the world should be see something in a neutral way ,,just like a outsider!.But unfortunately it is difficult for us to do it .But we should strive on this enduring progressing way ^^^^
Try to be an outsider of your own culture ,just like that you are from the MARS ,,what do u think the things in the earth???
we are the bond ay our own culture .


I do not love the commnisM ,and i do not love the government of my country.But i love my people ,i love the people in this areas ,i love my culture , i love the preety girl here ,i love the people called [FONT=宋体]中华民族。[/FONT]The commen people here is the most beautiful people !Ii love them deep in my heart.

Cmmunism doen means evil and destroyer!W live in a harmony styles.Andnow we are in a marketing economic. We are the same .And we are not a communism world...The people here try there best to earn money just as u are doing ......Is it a symptom of communism ??????????We are the same !

We are not as u have been imagined,,and not like what u were taught..

Although we are a so called communist leading country,,but in my opinion we are doing the same as the the traditional captilist did.


I know that both communism and captilism are religion ,and a puppet ,only a mental tool used by the leading parties in order that he- the small interest group will rull easily .

Actually i do not know who is better,the captilism????The communism ??? I do not know!!!!!And i do not want to know....

What i concerns is who will do better for the whole people and for the whole being .


The last leader of the soveit union said:"in 1000 years there will be no communism nor captilism" I think he is right ....he said this when he met with Zedong Mao or Nixon.But he really said this sentence.

Also u should know that u can critisize the communist but u can not critisize the chinese people ,u can stain the communism but that u can not stain the chinese people ,u should know that the progress of china did not produced by communism but by the commen people here ,the commen people who are brave enough ,also clever enough , the commen people here is very good ,they are great.

Every government doing the same things,both communism government and captilism government . They all want to rule easily and smoothly .If u thing that i am wrong ,so just looking at the people in your culture ,most of your guys do have bad attitude towards communism.Do u think it is normal that in the world so many to hate communism while the other part of the world in the world do do hate captilism?????Do you think that they are smart and wise enough ???No! No! No !! All the commen people will be affacted by his government .


Does captilism always right ??? Do not forget that in the 1940s the gap between the rich and the poor were still very high both in japan and usa. The 1907 ecnomic crisis was almost a fatal attack towards USA.

Both communism and captilism have his own drawbacks.If u are just insisting the drawbacks of communism and ignoring the drawbacks of captilism i think it is u who are just in a mental jail of the captilism ideology


Actually i do not think communism is good enough ..also i do not think captilism is good enough either ....I know they are just a tool used by the leading parties,,so that they would rule the country easily .............

In the end:
True communism is good .
But true communism is mere just a daydream.


NO.4:::::

George Washington said that [FONT=宋体]:[/FONT]A people who indulges himself in resent and admiring others is just mere a slave of his own emotion .-----------So let us get rid of old vews.We should change our old views and hope that there will be peace eternal and the MIFHTY bless the lives on the earth.

When you cut and paste it is customary and proper to post a link to the source Yingying. Plagiarism, even on the internet, is a crime.
 
When you cut and paste it is customary and proper to post a link to the source Yingying. Plagiarism, even on the internet, is a crime

i think the only thing i did not give url is the words :
The last leader of the soveit union said:"in 1000 years there will be no communism nor captilism" I think he is right ....he said this when he met with Zedong Mao or Nixon.But he really said this sentence
----my words.

i read them in a book of course writen in chanese and may be several years ago.i do not exactly ,may be in my middle school .

i know i do not give the url of this words is not ok. but i can not find them .

as english is not my mother language ,so there is still some problems in doing something......


--------------------all other words are my own words .if you still doubt this ,please log in the website of www.alizee-fanpage.com
to search the posts of yingying .

i have the same user name in both of the two forum .......

i just modified the words of mine in that forum.
 
bulldogg said:
I know quite a few Korean War veterans who would testify otherwise. Chinese soldiers and American soldiers have fought face to face, muzzle to muzzle and bayonet to bone. Rewriting history perhaps??
your teacher might has something to say about this, have you heard of "Volunteer Army CPVA", well aparently not. anyway are you going to expect us to sit still while watching the biggest imperialism drive up their force to our door step
 
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Rabs said:
Calling japanese dogs, way to promote your peaceful china view.
i guess you have some severe issue of your identity. take it easy, i am not callling you, unless you admited.

Yeh they got those free and fair elections bull-crap, dam nazis.
To me a nazi is someone that calls another nationaltie dogs.
Hitler are going to agree with you on this.


Personally, If i had to choose between the chinese and the japanese my decesion would take about .5 seconds.
why do i have to care about what those radical has to say about us.
next time do not butcher my post
this maybe my last post on this forum. there's no need to degrade myself by talking to someone as brainless as you.
 
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achinese said:
your teacher might has something to say about this, have you heard of "Volunteer Army CPVA", well aparently not. anyway are you going to expect us to sit still while watching the biggest imperialism drive up their force to our door step

My teacher?? Try checking my profile before you make an even bigger arse of yourself. I have spent three years in the Dongbei interviewing members of that "volunteer" :roll: Army.

Your story keeps changing, make up your mind. Did Americans and Chinese fight each other or not??
 
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