Originally Posted by NYC88mm

alirte then, think with ur american nationlism, uncle sam and all yo southern pride... replace us with china, and u'll know how i think

Jerk, godofthunder has been extremely civil about this, and you just insult him with stereotypes.

IMO, China would gain a lot of positive perceptions from around the world, it would help clean off that nasty communist, bully, China everyone generalizes with. But ah, is not the Chinese way. Only interested for herself, in this case- national pride.

Though if China could find a peaceful way for unification, it would have the same effect.

Originally Posted by NYC88mm

all yo southern pride...

Actually, this is pretty funny. I'm not southern ... at all. Grew up in Wyoming (please consult an Atlas if necessary) and I'm currently living in Utah for some reason.

Nothing whatsoever against the South, but I'm definitely not one of em. Places I've lived: Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, California, Nevada (Las Vegas baby!), Missouri and Oklahoma. I'd say I'm a product of the Western USA.

godofthunder,

The thing is that the Chinese perceive that the US wants to contain China. Having Taiwan (yeah, we equal Taiwan's independence to the US's having it), the US and Japan would have China trapped in perfectly. How awkward would China be when it can't even sail out to the Pacific freely and when its lifeline (oil) is controlled by the US and Japan ( Taiwan becoming an unsinkable carrier to the US)?

But again, what you said may have some merit: If China were to be willing to look up to the US for leadership, meaning to make itself a nation like other tiny ones in the neighborhood. In that case, the US would not be a potential threat to China. Then China would just develop its economy (as Japan does) and waiting for the US to age and go down and then naturally take over the helm, huh? That probably would work. Who knows.

I'll bet that in one of the infinite number of parallel worlds, that must be such a reality in existence... Of course, in that sense, there must be a reality wherein the Germans indeed won WWII...

But you certainly got me thinking and reconsidering. It'd be nice if everyone and all governments would leave room for such occasionally stepping back and reconsiderations.

No, not good.

Forget about "is Taiwan belongs to China or not" for we already discussed this for long time. Let's see how important the strategy go.

As we know now the Taiwanese already gone mad. They already abondon their identity as a Mandarin speaking etnic, Humiliation history by Japanese, they wanted to coroperate with Japanese to against China ( I don't know whether it's becoz they juz 1 independence so they do so, but it's definately not a good thing)

Taiwan's independence will meant to be another thing -- USA and Japanese have a good spying marchine near the China sea. For example. Recently the Taiowanese president claimed that they gave informations to Japanese that China submarine went trought Japanese sea.

Also, heard that USA-Japan were going to do a Military practice near the Asia area for the objective of "PREVENTING MILITARY THREAT AND INVASION FROM NATION "C". " If Taiwan independent, what would it meant to be? This will surely coz another new dangerous occasions to the world.

Yes I admit that USA support 1 China policy. But if Taiwan did get independence. USA will catch the chance and take use of this CHESS. Surely most of the China today won't like to see this. especially Japanese can have excuse to change constitution and get what they want.

You follow how I'm thinking of China playing Taiwan as either a massive misdirection (and it most definitely would throw absolutely everybody off their guard), or just as an affirmation that China intends to exist peacefully with its neighbors -- something that many, many nations in the area don't believe in right now. Most nations in the neighborhood of Southeast Asia are pretty convinced that China most likely will eventually take the road of aggression and conquest.

I can follow the point about strategic base of opperations for Japan, the USA, etc. Its a risk, no doubt about it. Still the USA, Japan and allies have no aspirations of invading China ... most intelligence is undoubtedly focussed on trying to ensure that we have some advanced notice before the PRC tries some big invasion in whatever direction. Obviously, regardless of their intentions, China doesn't want to leave any windows open. I'm not quite following why the USA and company cannot do what you are saying right now though.

To tell you the thruth, I think that publicly telling Taiwan to make their decision with the promise to respect whatever decision is made -- that's becomes a really big problem for the Independence Movement. They no longer have a China that is "out to get them". I think this is the only formula for peaceful reunification anytime soon and I doubt that Taiwan would actually declare their Independence after such a move.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

I'm sure they'd never listen to me if I tried. After all, I'm "just a stupid Westerner with no concept of anything about China or the Orient". Its fun saying that, its like having a liscence to be a moron.

lol, I know they will never listen to all good advices.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

I think that most everyone is watching and seeing what happens with Hong Kong to decide what to think about Taiwan. By the way, I seldom ever hear any news ... what's new with Hong Kong?

HK is doing pretty well, this year they grow 7.5%, much better than all Western countries, and their GDP per capita is even higher than most of West countries.

Hong Kong is the test that many Taiwanese are watching closely. If Hong Kong continues to do well, your patriotic Chinese in Taiwan are probably going to win out in the end.

The West and even ASEAN don't really have a great deal to lose in the case of a peaceful reuniting except peace of mind. They do have a lot to lose if China goes the hostile takeover route. Frankly, nobody comes out better off if the invasion actually happens. It would be nice to see a more permanent resolution than we have now.

its not that i dont respect others( well fine, i do insult the occasional southerns, but thats cuz i live in new york, cant do about it) but its because of damien and such ppl that angers me by underestimating china, it really makes me feel mad when this happens becuae its been happening to me all my life.

But dont mind me being harsh, im just a new yorker

Maybe your just overestimating China. People like to see facts and most Chinese people here do not show any to support their claim of super powerful China. If you guys backed off of it I am sure you would get much better replies.

we dont??? cmon, all that ctrl+c and ctrl+v doesnt even make a point???

i see u havent read some of the stuff in the forum very deeply