Chechnya - Page 7




 
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January 9th, 2005  
EuroSpike
 
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Originally Posted by Vitaly
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They failed but maybe islam told them to do that with attacking their neighborhood. This time they have no other choices but terrorism and raider attacks, if they want to keep fighting. Hit and run tactic works.
As I said in a previous post, "An article that really angered me was http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/08spec1.htm , not because of the content but for this info; "We were told by some Chechens in Moscow that most of the Black Widows are not very well educated, have little knowledge of Islam, and don't know that killing innocents in the name of Islam is forbidden. These widows are simply looking for revenge. They are being trained by fighters of Shamil Basayev, who is known to have had contacts with Osama bin Laden in the past." My dislike for Chechen Terrorists has just risen even more. They make themselves out to be Fervorous Islamic Fundamentalists and collaborate with other groups with equal ideals. How can they even say anything about being Islamic when they use "not very educated", not knowledgeable in Islam, and "simply looking for revenge" women as suicide bombers on innocent civilians? If the Chechens would attack military bases and not metro stations, theaters, airplanes, buses, and schools full of civilians I could at least have some respect for them. "


Also EuroSpike, you said "And that is the right way to act. Why capture a village if it causes only suicide? Guerillas are not stupids."

Well I didn't know blowing themselves up in civilian areas isn't sucide.
I didn't mean the suicide bomb strikes but guerilla raider strikes, hit and run tactics. They won't get into villages because that would get them only revealed and surrounded.
January 9th, 2005  
Vitaly
 
True, but instead of attacks on civilian areas the Guerillas could just as well plan and execute attacks upon Russian military installations, which they haven't been doing. They sit and plan ways to get money and talk about independence through terror. All of the current armed clashes are between Russian Special Operatives and these people. Besides sitting the Chechens attack in a manner that can't really be combated with in any form except for neutralizing the bandits/terrorists before they attack. Think of it this way, you are a Russian soldier in a convoy of 3 trucks, a huge explosion goes off from an activated mine, then some RPGs go off, after that Chechens open up with automatic fire. How is it possible to resist an attack so sudden and while you are in a transport vehicle? Its not. Also by the time any other of your forces hear of this you are dead and the Chechens have left. What method can the Russians use against this except going house to house in villages? As for extra brutality from Russian forces... what else is a soldier going to do to someone who is involved in killing his friends that are deployed and his friends back in civilian life?
January 9th, 2005  
EuroSpike
 
"Think of it this way, you are a Russian soldier in a convoy of 3 trucks, a huge explosion goes off from an activated mine, then some RPGs go off, after that Chechens open up with automatic fire. How is it possible to resist an attack so sudden and while you are in a transport vehicle? Its not. Also by the time any other of your forces hear of this you are dead and the Chechens have left. What method can the Russians use against this except going house to house in villages? As for extra brutality from Russian forces... what else is a soldier going to do to someone who is involved in killing his friends that are deployed and his friends back in civilian life?"

I haven't been in guerilla companies, but also been trained some basic guerilla tactics and how to make ambushes, booby traps and how to act in guerilla warfare, wich belongs to infantry training. A suddenly made ambush is the best and easiest way to deal with an enemy column. For one example: first choose a suitable place for ambush, then place AT/AP mines and traps. The best way to deal with infantry is of course to knock out their transports before soldiers dissmount and if they succes to dissmount, they may take cover from behind the vehicles or the oppositing side of the road wich is of course booby trapped with landmines, claymores or exploding detonation wire wich is placed on the ground. Then just blow them up when soldiers are lying on it.

Suddenly strike when unexpected, dirty works very quickly and then dissappearing before enemy responses or gets reinforcements. Then it's time to deal with pursuiting enemy patrols and get them lost from trails or destroyed.

And to get self well ambushed from close range, there is only a few possiblities to survive. When sitting in APC, it is bad to stay inside but bad thing also to try dissmount and get propably shot at the APC's backdoors and ambusher is waiting for soldiers coming out. Shit happens but the best thing to survive an ambush is to avoid it but if really well ambushed man won't realize what hit him
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January 10th, 2005  
Vitaly
 
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
January 10th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by EuroSpike
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They want to fight for freedom but they wont get any freedom by making terrorist attacks, they had the freedom once and the failed with it.
That's true. They failed but maybe islam told them to do that with attacking their neighborhood. This time they have no other choices but terrorism and raider attacks, if they want to keep fighting. Hit and run tactic works.

Did you read the link about chechnya's first war i listed abowe or do you speak or read finnish?
i read that article.
January 10th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by Vitaly
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
ussaly the russian soldires sit on top of the APC's.
January 10th, 2005  
EuroSpike
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by Vitaly
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
ussaly the russian soldires sit on top of the APC's.
Yes, they don't dare to sit inside because they are frightened to drive on mines.

Did you like the article?
January 10th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by EuroSpike
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by Vitaly
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
ussaly the russian soldires sit on top of the APC's.
Yes, they don't dare to sit inside because they are frightened to drive on mines.

Did you like the article?
eyah its pretty good
January 10th, 2005  
EuroSpike
 
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Originally Posted by Vitaly
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
There is some tactics how to combat and act when ambushed but at least one APC or truck along it's passengers are easily lost because ambusher has the iniative and advantage and decides the game. Few anti ambush tactics were trained a quite lot in army for different situations like taking sudden enemy contact on the front when advancing in APCs and got insurgent style ambushed in escort duty.

But generally guerilla ambush is very effective tactic when properly and succesfully made. Hard to do anything if fight is over before it has even started.
January 10th, 2005  
Vitaly
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroSpike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitaly
Yeah, thats exactly what I meant. The point being you can't combat an ambush, you can prevent it. Which is what the Russian troops are doing by going house to house.
There is some tactics how to combat and act when ambushed but at least one APC or truck along it's passengers are easily lost because ambusher has the iniative and advantage and decides the game. Few anti ambush tactics were trained a quite lot in army for different situations like taking sudden enemy contact on the front when advancing in APCs and got insurgent style ambushed in escort duty.

But generally guerilla ambush is very effective tactic when properly and succesfully made. Hard to do anything if fight is over before it has even started.
Yes thats exactly correct. I agree 100 percent. Thats why the Russians have been assaulting houses in "zachistka" operations. Its to neutralize the Chechen bandits that do these uncounterable ambushes before they actually do it. So in effect its Russia's way of dealing with ambushes. You attack the perpetrators of previous attacks and collaborators for future attacks before the next one occurs. The Russian military is going house-to-house to find these people that aren't currently in the woods. This is why they are doing it and why cases of Russian brutality are mentioned. The bruality occurs because the bandits/terrorists are in civilian areas and the Russians don't discriminate between whom they rough-up but, they do discriminate between whom they kill or take in.