Rob Henderson
Banned
Could be worse, pixie... We could be talking about *gasp* homosexuals!!!
*dramatic organ music and thunder clap*
*dramatic organ music and thunder clap*
Censorship!
The Other Guy
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1- Well, that has nothing to do with the woman or the reasoning behind her actions, but if you insist...
2&3-At that point if the kid attends public school he's been hit over the head with abstinence talk so much it's doubtful the lack of a book's presence is going to slow him down. It's about freedom of information, or does that not apply to minors?
Of course.We sure do like to fight about sex here. Yikes!
senojekips
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How much more "on topic" do you want? Here's the quote lifted directly from the article "The Lord slapped me in the face with this book," she said.
I merely pointed it that this immediately threw the legitimacy of the whole question into doubt as it was the ravings of another typical christian nut case.
It's just not on your topic because it shows christianity in it's true light.
"Ohhh, Laaaawddy, laaawdy Rob,... don't slap me in the face with another of your brilliant interpretations":lol:
Not on topic,.... pbbbttt. You must be getting sillier than she is Rob.
Rob Henderson
Banned
Only showing that just because it was in the link doesn't mean it's relevant to the discussion. It's neither here nor there...
And on this, I agree with you. Schools SHOULD teach more safe sex than abstinence... We've had this discussion before... But this was not "The Birds and The Bees: An Educational Reference Of Sexual Education"... This was "Kama Sutra 2.0: Learn The Best Positions To Maximize Pleasure."
That's NOT the kind of information a minor needs.
Christianity is NOT the topic of this thread. The title reads "Censorship!" not "Christianity!"
It's interesting that you've made ONE reference to the book, and I agreed with you on it... And yet you still feel compelled to argue. Why?
Don't get me started on your grammar... *rolls eyes*
Except that won't matter much. I learned how to make bombs in chemistry class.....
I learned about sex by being raised on a small farm. Hey, the horses do it, the cattle do it, the sheep do it. I betcha humans do it as well!
Nah, man. Sex ain't anything dirty. Though I think it's the whips, chains and black leather that keeps it clean....
irate:Oh well. I guess some folks are insecure in their sexuality.We sure do like to fight about sex here. Yikes!
The Other Guy
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Yes, it's not a sex ed book, but it is neither labeled as one nor in a section where any kid would be likely to look. And, a kid looking for such a book would be very unlikely to pick this book up, and I know if it were my kid he wouldn't make it out of the library alive carrying it. But if a child does, it is not the fault of the library, it's the fault of the parent who signed the slip saying they were responsible for what their child took out of the library.
Define minor. It varies by state, by country. So this book is acceptable information for a 17 year old in another area but not in this one? There's some flawed logic there, if you ask me. The only censor on information should be a parent or legal guardian. If the parent is lax... they have no room to argue.
And this woman does not really care about the poor innocent children (say that to the parent of any child over the age of ten and they'll laugh in your face. Innocent my :cen
, she purely wants to control what others can and can't read. And because this book doesn't conform to her guidelines, it must go. This wasn't the only book she found unacceptable, just the only one that made news. She had a whole list.What about fine arts books? Picasso painted probably over a hundred nudes. One of the most famous sculptures on earth is a nude sculpture. These are usually large and heavy books kept on the bottom shelf, within easy reach of even toddlers; should they be censored too for openly displaying nudity, and not always in the most tasteful manner? Slippery slope theory applies.
senojekips
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But we can't discuss one without the other as in this case christianity is clearly shown to be part of the cause of the dispute. It is as much a part of the debate as Libraries, Librarians, books, morals, and public perceptions of all the above. Would you care to explain how any debate can be resolved if we are limited by not being able to discuss the causative factors?
Because,... although we may agree on the solution, we disagree as to the root cause of the complaint in this case. I know,... it must really disappoint you to see that Atheists have morals at least as good as christians,... and what's more, our reasons are far more logical.
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Yin717
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No offence to Americans but that is just obsurd! As you have said it increases the chance of people being immature when it comes to sex and what if children like never understand it so don't it? You'll have no kids. lol.
senojekips
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Are you saying that without this book on public display, adults will never learn about reproduction?
I think that history would show this reasoning to be somewhat ludicrous.
Yall want to know something? I've been watching this thread and reading it and all I can say is censorship is part of the problem with this world. We all know sex is real like it or not, believe it exists or not, kids (under 18) WILL have sex, its a known fact that most or us adults try to conceal, well guess what, it should be up to the parents of the kids to decide what the watch and read, not the govt.
personally I don't believe in censorship, and I have 2 sons who know right from wrong too, because I don't censor anything from them.
Kids now day know more than anybody thinks, and believe it or not there's a lot of them who practice common sense.
Common sense works way better than censorship
personally I don't believe in censorship, and I have 2 sons who know right from wrong too, because I don't censor anything from them.
Kids now day know more than anybody thinks, and believe it or not there's a lot of them who practice common sense.
Common sense works way better than censorship
senojekips
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I think that the truth is that kids today are no different to what they always have been, no smarter no dumber, it's just that their skill sets are different due to the technology of the day.
In my view, the debate has nothing to do with whether kids are any better prepared for parenthood, but do they need to know these things as children? For the same reasons that, although sex is a normal human behaviour, "porn" is not normally regarded as suitable for children.
When adults engage in sex, do they invite the kids in to watch? Just as sex is not normally a children's spectator sport, there is no need to display some printed material to minors.
As for common sense being involved, if I had a a dollar for every bloke I've known who allowed his brain to gravitate to the end of his willy, I'd be wealthier than all the members of Milforum put together. The desire for sex is probably the single strongest human urge, it outweighs common sense by at least a hundred to one. When sex is on the horizon, the first thing to go out the window is usually common sense, so I certainly wouldn't rely on that. It doesn't work with adults, so i don't see how kids are going to deal with it any better.
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The Other Guy
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They may not understand it, but they can figure out it feels good.
This is a fantastic post, and supports what I've been saying. Glad to be on your side of an argument for once, Wolfen :thumb:
True, but what right do I have to decide what YOUR children do and don't do, or know and don't know?
THATS my main point, kids today don't know any more or less about sex than we did as kids.
It is rare isn't itThey may not understand it, but they can figure out it feels good.
This is a fantastic post, and supports what I've been saying. Glad to be on your side of an argument for once, Wolfen :thumb:
AT least were friends even though we seldom agree LOL
The Other Guy
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My own personal impression is that adults have a tendency to forget just how much they knew at a young age.
senojekips
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Yes,.... I do. In fact it's an obligation upon good parents which in law is called a "Duty of Care". In this state, parents can be charged with several offences including "Reckless endangerment" for not protecting children against all manner of things from exposure to porn, underaged drinking to truancy.
But when you grew up, finding books such as this on the Library shelves was not a possibility. I guess you managed to find out about such things without them? Which I guess just goes to show, that they are not necessary, especially in public libraries where they can be accessed by children.
If you want to have children, the least you can do is attempt to look after them and not expose them to needless risk.
perhaps that is because once they have actually seen some of life they realise how wrong their ideas were about such things.
Experience only comes with time, something that kids are very short on. Every kid thinks they are the first to be as smart as they are. This is only the result of their inexperience,.... it's called immaturity and it is the major difference between kids and adults. There's no magic switch on the top of your head that they flick the day you turn 18 or 21 or whatever, that is only a legal definition. True adulthood is only acquired with experience, not time.
Some achieve adulthood early, many, much later, some never become adults.
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but do I have a right to say what kids do in somebody else's house? No I do not, that's the responsibility of the parents of the children, I have my own house to run.
I have kids, they do what I tel them to do I don;t have to censor things from them cause if I tell either of them no, that means no and they obey me and their mother. When I was growing up is when censorship took off again in the U.S, but the censorship they have nowadays is total b******t, have you seen Hansel and Gretel lately? now days those two are Juvenal delinquents that harass a nice old lady. And don't even get me started on Little Red Riding Hood, Peta will have a field day with me if they read what I have to say about that. Basically there's a line between a parents rights and govt control, and now days we have no rights, the govt tells us what we can and can not do with our children, I got totally against censorship back when I saw my first politically correct cartoon.
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senojekips
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You are getting off track, but yes, you do have an obligation to attempt to save all others from their own stupidity or lack of experience.
There's a difference between censorship for the good of society and needless interference, and it appears that you can't be bothered trying to work out the difference in every case. Obviously you have your thoughts about the subject you mention above, and have elected to try to shield your daughter from it. You wicked censor.
Growing older is obligatory, adulthood is purely optional.
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Ok I agree with you on the fact that people have to be protected from their own stupidity, but I really think they shouldn't have kids in the first place until they have the common sense to know what is right and what is wrong.
both of mine are boys, I don't have a daughter in my house. My 15 year old ahs a girlfriend and neither of them want to have sex until they are married ( whew....) and I had to have thee "talk" with my 11 old already cause if I didnt the schoool system would, thats what I think is screwed up about this countrys censorship and why I hate it so bad, ther tell you sex amoung kids doesn't exist and its a bad thing and then they turn around and teach it in 7th year of school? I don't know about Australia, maybe you guys there are more mature than people here, but here when kids lrean about it in school they learn just enough to cancel out everything the parents ever taught them. At least in Va
major liability
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I can't see any good reason to censor porn. I find it disturbing that Americans are content to give their kids movies and games chock full of extreme brutality but are afraid of the very mentioning of sex. Everyone has sex, but most people don't stab someone to death. One of my friends' parent let him watch slasher movies and such as a little kid, and he really believed they depicted every day normal occurrences until he got old enough to know otherwise.