Carter Sold Out Iran 1977-1978

localgrizzly said:
I hardly think that socialist regimes help the poor.

Churchill once said:
"The inheren't vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."

Reagan brought down the most powerful socialist monsters on the planet. Wouldn you share with me just which socialist regimes Clinton brought down?

That is just my point LG..... I said that the republican presidents bring down socialists (from ideological point of view) and democrats take out right wing despots. So Clinton would, by my argument, certainly not bring down any socialist government. Unless they were a direct danger to the US.

Unfortunatly many chosen socialist regimes can't make their promises come true for many reasons. But better to try and fail then to do nothing at all. (I wonder whether this new president of Bolivia will manage?)
 
Ted said:
But better to try and fail then to do nothing at all. (I wonder whether this new president of Bolivia will manage?)

Just for the sake of argument. Evo Morales probably won't last any longer than the other 3 Presidentes Boliva has had in the last 2 years. Guys not really a socialist he's a cocalero. His big plan to bring prosperity to Boliva is to legalize coca production which will make real popular not only with his nieghbors but is gonna put his whole country on the list of Cartels.

His support is gonna come from organizations like FARC and people like Chavez and Castro.Boliva is going to become nothing more than a way station for cartels and Narco terrorists his support will come from Chavez simply because Morales mouthed the right words.
 
The crop that you grow doens't determine your political flavour 03. Is he choses to use the revenues to help the poor, it still makes him a socialist of some sort.
But I have another question for you. If this is the only profitable crop you can grow and your choises are going hungry or make a few pennies growing this crop; what would you do?
All the "regular" crops have been scratched of the list because trade barriers in the US and Europa made them unprofitable. The same goes for tobacco and many other products. This is the only one that earns them some money regardless of who is paying them. If I had a family at home and no other way out, I grow as much as I could. The West took care of my other options and I'd reckon it was my turn to take care of me!
 
BS. You grow Coca your a freakin trafficker. Cocas legitemite uses do not not make profitable. It's traditional uses do not make it profitable. It's banned or controlled in most countries to include Columbia,Ecuador and Peru and Boliva (at least it was before Evo "I wanna be a drug lord" Morales was elected) where it has traditional uses. Why you ask. Because it's illegal uses degrade society and create criminal elements.

Pablo Escobar built housing projects and soccer fields in Medillian. It only made him a criminal who knew how to use PR to build a base of support. Evo is the same.
 
Well at least I can say that you have a clear vision on this matter. We don't agree on this, but it is clear.
One thing you didn't mention is an alternative. You can point out that it is wrong, illegal and the rest; but what do you offer them in return? Secondly, it is not them who degrade your society with their drugs just as much as the gun kills it's victims. It are the people who use them who do the degrading.....
 
Yeah? Whoever was US President in 1953 sold out Iran aswell when the CIA removed Mossadegh's democratically elected government and installed the Shah as absolute ruler.
 
Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Yeah? Whoever was US President in 1953 sold out Iran aswell when the CIA removed Mossadegh's democratically elected government and installed the Shah as absolute ruler.

I'd recommend you to research more on the roots of that so-called popular government!

1- MSM (basically left wing media) made all westerners believe that the Shah government was just an evil form of government and has thousands of people in prisons and on death row. That is totally absurd! Even the Islamic regime's data show that less than 2500 Terror suspects with deep relations to hardline Marxist and Islamist groups were executed over a period of 45 years.

2- There is no doubt that CIA and UK intel services staged a coup against Prime minister Mossadegh in August of 1953 to save and stop Iran from falling into the hands of the Soviets and their proxies in Iran Tudeh Party.

3- The Mossadegh government wasn't popular at the time when it was overthrown. The fact that the Shah of Iran was greeted by milions of Iranians after his return from Rome in the same week after the coup proves that The Shah was far more popular than his ousted premier who had put the country on the verge of destruction and isolation.

Sometimes, I wonder if they really care about the well-being of people of the world (Read those who really need their attention)
 
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Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Yeah? Whoever was US President in 1953 sold out Iran aswell when the CIA removed Mossadegh's democratically elected government and installed the Shah as absolute ruler.

I suggest you re-read your history lessons.
 
phoenix80 said:
I'd recommend you to research more on the roots of that so-called popular government!

1- MSM (basically left wing media) made all westerners believe that the Shah government was just an evil form of government and has thousands of people in prisons and on death row. That is totally absurd! Even the Islamic regime's data show that less than 2500 Terror suspects with deep relations to hardline Marxist and Islamist groups were executed over a period of 45 years.
Interesting. In most democratic countries, approximately 0 Terror SUSPECTS are executed.
phoenix80 said:
2- There is no doubt that CIA and UK intel services staged a coup against Prime minister Mossadegh in August of 1953 to save and stop Iran from falling into the hands of the Soviets and their proxies in Iran Tudeh Party..
So what you're saying is that this Tudeh Party was becoming ever more popular with the people, so the CIA had to put an end to this democracy-dealie.
phoenix80 said:
3- The Mossadegh government wasn't popular at the time when it was overthrown. The fact that the Shah of Iran was greeted by milions of Iranians after his return from Rome in the same week after the coup proves that The Shah was far more popular than his ousted premier who had put the country on the verge of destruction and isolation.
Have you got any pictures of him being greeted by millions?

Ah! I found one!

Oh wait, that's a picture of people listening to Khatamy. Well, I guess the Islamic government must be real popular and kind to the people...
 
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Mohmar Deathstrike

I think someone needs to go back to school and study OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENTS.
 
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Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Interesting. In most democratic countries, approximately 0 Terror SUSPECTS are executed.

So what you're saying is that this Tudeh Party was becoming ever more popular with the people, so the CIA had to put an end to this democracy-dealie.

Have you got any pictures of him being greeted by millions?

Ah! I found one!

Oh wait, that's a picture of people listening to Khatamy. Well, I guess the Islamic government must be real popular and kind to the people...

Hey, if that's your idea of the people showing support. Here's one of Adolf Hitler.

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Or how about one of Mao.

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There's also one of Kim Il Jong.

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Your idea of people loving their governments by simple propaganda shows a lack of knownledge and common sense.
 
5.56X45mm said:
Hey, if that's your idea of the people showing support. Here's one of Adolf Hitler.

Exactly. All I was saying was that loads of people greeting some leader doesn't mean that he's "democratic" or whatever.
 
Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Exactly. All I was saying was that loads of people greeting some leader doesn't mean that he's "democratic" or whatever.

Well, if it's greet the leader or turn out for a demonstration or we'll kill your family, they will probably take the "greet" option.
 
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