Can S.Korea handle N.Korea alone? - Page 11




 
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Boots
 
October 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
NK army will not starve to death, I bet everyone here agrees NK has plenty of rice fields right? (emmm, we all like rice )

SK cannot win against NK without US aid, NK is a fanatic army and their weapons compared SK are not stone-age stuff. If NK can produce high-tech ICBM and nukes, you bet they are not so bad at conventional weapons either, btw NK can always get some second-rate weapon technology from China and Russia, good enough to face SK.

The real point is:
With fanatic NK army, they can seize Seoul very quickly, and with their nukes they can force SK knee down to surrender.
October 3rd, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
If NK use nukes then they isolate themselves from the world, the US will retaliate and if NK is the agressor i dont think china will intefere, and will china or russia want to become involved in another korean war that will be expensive and will cause a big loss of life? How effective is NK supply chain? if SK strikes quickly and destroys the infrastucture then army groups could well be isolated without food, or enough of it.
October 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Originally Posted by Shadowalker
If NK use nukes then they isolate themselves from the world, the US will retaliate and if NK is the agressor i dont think china will intefere, and will china or russia want to become involved in another korean war that will be expensive and will cause a big loss of life? How effective is NK supply chain? if SK strikes quickly and destroys the infrastucture then army groups could well be isolated without food, or enough of it.
NK is already isolated in the world, does not make too much sense for them to isolate them with another layer.

US will not retaliate since SK will not agree, if USA does, then whole Korean race is rooted out of earth, cannot happen.

China will watch first, if things turn bad toward our N.Korean brothers, we will not sit there and only watch.

NK is so close to Seoul, they need only one day to get in there. Supply chain? They can seize city by city inside SK, no hurry needed (if US not involved, our topic is about NK vs SK).

Korea is a mountainous area, not like desert Iraq, not easy to isolate.
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Boots
October 3rd, 2004  
Doc.S
 
I belive that even if N.K has absolite tanks and equipment for the open battlefield the terrain of N.K and S.K is more like Vietnam. And the history is a great tool to look back with. N.K to make an example has not in this time any worse equipment then North Vietnam in 57-75. N.K have even better equipment then Vietnam had in the vietnam war if we compare timelines and weapons. Then if they can take S.Korea alone without U.S support is another question. But my honest answer with a look at the Vietnam war, I would say, yes probably sooner or later. *nod* The infantry only needs two pare of legs to move forward.

Cheers:
Doc.S

October 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Quote:
nod* The infantry only needs two pare of legs to move forward.
I like this description, exactly what I wanted to say but were not able to find the "2 legs" things to support my opinion
October 3rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I think you make the key mistake in understanding the sides' will power. South Korea is no South Vietnam.
The only two things they have in common (before South Vietnam fell) was that the first word in their country name is "South" and their northern neighbors are communist.
I guess I've told you everything I could.
South Korea on average has better equpiment (as in quality and also maybe even in quantity considering North Korea doesn't have the money to maintain all its jets and tanks), it has better training, the soldiers are better fed, have one of the most professional officer corps, consistently get great reviews by those who train along side them, is guaranteed to have air superiority in a matter of days (a week max probably), and can deny North Korea the numerical advantage at the drop of a hat.
So that's pretty much everything.
I guess if you STILL believe North Korea will win, there's really nothing else left to convince you.
October 3rd, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
NK is already isolated in the world, does not make too much sense for them to isolate them with another layer.

US will not retaliate since SK will not agree, if USA does, then whole Korean race is rooted out of earth, cannot happen.

China will watch first, if things turn bad toward our N.Korean brothers, we will not sit there and only watch.

NK is so close to Seoul, they need only one day to get in there. Supply chain? They can seize city by city inside SK, no hurry needed (if US not involved, our topic is about NK vs SK).

Korea is a mountainous area, not like desert Iraq, not easy to isolate.
Why wont SK agree if it guarenees there survival then i expect they would agree, there are still american troops in SK and if they are nuked then the US is involved.
SK like any nation is not daft enough to only have 1 central command centre, theres probably one near Pusan and else where if Seoul is captured, and i believe there moving there capital anyway. The frontline troops of NK need supplies and if SK uses slash and burn and is able to airstrike there supply lines then the NK troops go hungry, especially if they go at the pace i think you think there troops will go at.
China would be an idiot to go in if NK starts the war (if SK does then yes they will go in) they will draw in more countries into the conflict and could possibly start WW3
October 3rd, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
NK army will not starve to death, I bet everyone here agrees NK has plenty of rice fields right? (emmm, we all like rice )
Um. No. They don't have plenty of rice fields, North Korea is experiencing a terrible drought right now, the only people getting fed are the Army and the social elite who get to live in Pyongyang, although they are also starting to feel the pinch, and the US is not going to send aid because it will only feed the Army to keep them in better fighting shape.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
NK is so close to Seoul, they need only one day to get in there. Supply chain? They can seize city by city inside SK, no hurry needed (if US not involved, our topic is about NK vs SK).

Korea is a mountainous area, not like desert Iraq, not easy to isolate.
Yes, Seoul is only 1 day away from NK, IF THEY ARE DRIVING IN A CAR WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE BY THE SOUTH KOREAN MILITARY! Do you think they are just gonna let the N. Korean troops stroll through their lines and take over Seoul? The Korean War has changed over the last 50 years, South Korea had little to no defenses when North Korea invaded in 1951, now South Korea is ready for an invasion, North Korea may capture Seoul, but they would have to kill over 400,000 heavily armed South Korean soldiers and lose at least 500,000 of their own soldiers, minimum, and then they would have to hold out against the inevitable South Korean counter attack, the whole time they would be using up precious supplies of Fuel that they can ill-afford to lose.

Capturing Seoul is no guarantee of victory buddy, NK captured it twice in the 50's and yet we still pushed you back above the 38th parallel.

Flying Frog, you are ofcourse aware that if North Korea uses Nukes the US will glass North Korea and China if they try to intervene. Nukes are not used os an offensive weapon, they are used when defete is imminent. China would be fool hearty to aid North Korea if they used Nukes, you would have all of Western Europe getting ready to invade from South Korea and Russia might even decide that you were crazy for aiding North Korea and they would invade you, the world's largest tank force would be bearing down on Beijing and you would have a good chunk of your military near the Korean border. Not a pretty scenario.
October 3rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Flying Frog, North Korea doesn't have much of anything that's food.
Rice paddies are in South Korea. Traditionally, South Korea had more fertile land suitable for rice farming anyway. North Korea's suffered from droughts, then floods so basically it's a mess. Same with South Korea in terms of the floods but South Korea was able to bounce back pretty quick.

Correction about Seoul from border.
It's not 1 day, it's rather more like 2 hours unopposed.
The bummer about this is going to be high civilian casualties, but remember it's not like this is the only city that exists in South Korea.
But I'm sure there's a lot of World War II veterans that can tell you about trying to take cities. Then try it against an army that has better equipment, training and air superiority. It's suicide.
October 3rd, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
During disaster years NK has problem with food, but normally NK is self-sufficient I am pretty sure. btw China sends foods to them every year, anyway they are our close brothers.

Seoul has more than 10 million citizens, it is 1/3 of SK population. If Seoul is taken by NK, then SK is therotically and practically losed, therefore NK would simply put at least 50% of their army manpower to conquer Seoul.

Btw, when taking Seoul, there would be large number of NK SF put in, also I am pretty sure in SK there are a lot of pro-NK and anti-USA people and they would like to see NK unite whole Korea.