can Red Arrow 9A penatrade M1 tank? - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
January 22nd, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
the tanks produced in 2000 , those new tanks, most of them are better than the older ones right??? maybe M1A2? right? better than older ones..

isn't that mean this anti-tank device can penetrate those before 2000?
January 22nd, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
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Originally Posted by Sexybeast
the tanks produced in 2000 , those new tanks, most of them are better than the older ones right??? maybe M1A2? right? better than older ones..

isn't that mean this anti-tank device can penetrate those before 2000?
The M1A2 was built in 1991. New SEP ones built in 2001.
The M60A3 is better than the T-80U. M60A3 1972 vs. T-80U 1998, Strength and armor to Tech. can be better. An M48A3 (1959) crew reported 13 RPG hits in 1972 (during a recon around the town of Hue) the tank was intact and another crew asigned and completed its recon after the ambush.

2001, A film taken by a commander of an Abrams (He was the Commander of the third M1A1 in the colum fomation.) showing a platoon of M1A1's rolling through Baghdad outskirts to capture two overpass before destuction, an RPG team hit the second M1A1 in the fomation, the RPG recoicheted of the turret armor and detonated on the road.

M1A2 SEP: Most SEP's are built from old M1A1 platforms.

Quoting GlobalSecurity.org
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During the Army’s current M1A2 procurement program about 1,000 older, less capable M1 series tanks will be upgraded to the M1A2 configuration and fielded to the active forces. There is currently no plan to field the M1A2 to the ARNG. The Army has procured 62 new tanks in the A2 configuration and as of early 1997 completed the conversion of 368 older M1s to M1A2s. The first three years of M1A2 Abrams upgrade tank work, between 1991-1993, delivered 267 tanks. A multi-year procurement of 600 M1A2 upgrade tanks was run at Lima [Ohio] Army tank plant from 1996 to 2001.
January 22nd, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
i dont know how the hell u get the result that t-80U is not better than M60A3....remember, compare the T-80U in Russia..which have uranium rounds

and u cant just compare a certain incident that a tank got hit how many times and survived stuff..

a t-72 got hit so many times in Chechenay but the crews survived too..
does that mean t-72 is good?
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January 22nd, 2005  
Chinaman
 
the only tanks abram ever came up aginist was the t-72 and crappy soviet anks, the t-72 havent got time to fire its deadly cannon before it was gunned by the m1, the only weapons that actually disabled a few were antitank misiles and RPG

the challenger II has the same type of armor, but it is thicker and its alot ehavier and more capable

the t80u and t90 was used in chechnya

dont u think its absurd to say that soviet tanks are worse than us ones, when ur comparing 70s tanks aginist 90s tanks

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the HQ-9 red arrow was designed to own the m1, maybe the us should offer china a m1 and see if we can penetrate the armor

also, any tank commander or antitank weapons commander knows that by firing twice into the tank at the same time produces deadly results

its probably going to be 2 ormore red arrows hitting the m1 at the same time, thats deadly
January 22nd, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
when ppl comparing soviets tanks to western tanks, they always tend to ignore that soviets never sell either DU armor or uranium rounds to other nations on those t-72 or t-80 tanks...
January 22nd, 2005  
AlexKall
 
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Sort of looks like the MILAN, no it can't peirce the armor on the M1A1 or M1A2, but maybe an IPM1. The M1's hull and turret armor are made of anti-tank misslie resistant composite aromr. Designed for survivability includes internal armor bulkheads with sliding armor doors isolating the crew from the main armarment stowage. Blow-off panels and designed to channel blast outwards, while an auto Halon fire-exstingishing system is designed to takle internal fire insatantneously. The armor is made of special steel with an inner layer of DU so that the outer layer maybe peirced but the DU layer stops the round becasue it is super hard.


I'm qouting Globalsecurity.org:

"Its most impressive feature was its special armor, a composite “sandwich” of steel and other materials capable of defeating HEAT rounds in addition to kinetic energy penetrators. "

http://globalsecurity.org/military/s.../ground/m1.htm
Do you have a source that conferms that this weapon can not penetrate the hull of an M1? Its inpossible to say either if it has never been prowen and I think it should be cept as "speculations" until proved by hard facts, rather then facts of off the M1 tanks protection, or the ability of that missile. What you quoted has has to do with rounds, not missiles. A missile is different from a round. Especially if it is a heatseaking missile.
If you would read my post :"The M1's hull and turret armor are made of anti-tank misslie resistant composite armor".

The armor can't be piereced by a HEAT or SABOT rounds or missles, the turret neck in between the turret and chaisis is the most vonerable. The XM1 or IPM1 maybe disable. Only one round has ever penertrated the M1A1 and M1A2 and M1A2 SEP, it is a Russian made round made to drill through armor and it can only peirce turret neck armor. An RPG can disable the turbine but not peirce, when an RPG hits the armor it riochets off. The armor is as said can defeat HEAT rounds and missles "Its most impressive feature was its special armor, a composite “sandwich” of steel and other materials capable of defeating HEAT rounds in addition to kinetic energy penetrators."

It is recorded that in the Gulf War that some Abrams where hit and disable but the crew wan not harmed anfd the tank itself was intact and could be refitted and rebuilt.


Quoting Globalsecurity.org:
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The Abrams has been using Depleted Uranium (DU) armor since 1988. In 1996, a design change to the armor package was made by the Army and cut-in to production by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) via Change Request XMPP-2083 in Oct 96 and effective with Job #1 M1A2 Phase II AUT. The use of DU armor is a primary feature that distinguishes the Abrams tank from numerous other commonly accepted equipment employed by the military and industry. The current use of the depleted uranium (DU) armor package on the M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank (MBT) Heavy Armor System has been re-evaluated to determine whether the environmental impacts of its continued use remain insignificant, taking into consideration the current use of the tank and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's (NRC's) reduction in allowable radiation exposure from 500 mrem/year to 100 mrem/year for tank and maintenance crews (individual members of the public). As in already-fielded weapon system, M1 MBTs have been in production and in the field since the early 1980s. During that time, many technical, environmental and health assessments have been completed. These documents have addressed and minimized environmental impacts.

The stowage for the main armament ammunition is in armored ammunition boxes behind sliding armor doors. Armor bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The tank is equipped with an automatic Halon fire extinguishing system. This system automatically activates within 2 milliseconds of either a flash or a fire within the various compartments of the vehicle. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile.
Yes I did read your post.

"If you would read my post :"The M1's hull and turret armor are made of anti-tank misslie resistant composite armor"."

I know that you wrote it does, but what about a source for it? A missile and a round is alot different.
January 22nd, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
lol...if Iran knows that this round cant pierce U.S tanks..they won't buy lots of it
January 22nd, 2005  
Chinaman
 
rumors has it that the chinese has invented a new tank buster round

its called AAIHEAT round

it works just like a heat round, but instead of explosives, it is filled with nitro glecine, very flammable gases and liquids that are desined to burn through composite armor at 2300 C*

its just a rumor, so dont get all excited about it
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Only one way to really find out.
January 23rd, 2005  
Chinaman
 
don't worry people, because one tech could counter another tech, one way or another composite armor will be pentrated by new techonlogical innovations