California Overturns Gay Marriage




 
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California Overturns Gay Marriage
 
November 5th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 

Topic: California Overturns Gay Marriage


California Overturns Gay Marriage
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...4A454K20081105
(REUTERS)



By Peter Henderson and Jim Christie
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California and two other states voted in Tuesday's elections to ban same-sex marriage, dealing a blow to gays and lesbians in the left-leaning, trend-setting state months after they won their case in state court.
But in an indication of the complex cultural map drawn by the elections, voters also rejected limits on abortion in South Dakota and Colorado in a loss for social conservatives as the country elected its first black president, Barack Obama, a Democrat.
Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council which worked for the passage of the anti-gay marriage measures, said the wins on same-sex marriage bans signaled Obama's mandate is for economic policy, "not one to implement a radical social policy."
"What lost last night was the Republican Party, but it was not a rejection of traditional or moral values, because you have two states that voted for Barack Obama -- Florida and California -- that also passed the marriage amendments," Perkins told Reuters in a telephone interview.
California's Supreme Court had declared same-sex marriage a right in May, unleashing a flood of weddings, but the state's voters changed the Constitution to rescind the right after one of the most expensive ballot campaigns in history.
Florida and Arizona joined California in Tuesday's elections, adding to the list of dozens of states banning same-sex marriages with similar laws.
Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, won California and Florida. Rival Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain won his home state of Arizona, which in 2006 rejected a ban on same-sex marriage.
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Of the three measures to ban gay marriages, California's was the most closely watched as the state is the most populous and is perceived as a political and cultural leader.
With 96.4 percent of precincts reporting, the California proposition -- which came about half a year after the state's highest court opened the way to gay marriage -- was ahead by more than 4 percentage points.
In San Francisco, where Mayor Gavin Newsom initiated gay marriages in City Hall and launched the legal battle resulting in recognition of same-sex unions, Obama's victory and message of change consoled proposition opponents.
"We have Obama," Noelle Skool, 29, said as she checked identification at a popular lesbian bar in San Francisco's Mission district. "It's small steps. Eventually they'll warm up to the fact that, hey, we're all equal."
Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred said she planned a lawsuit to challenge California's new gay-marriage ban on behalf of two lesbian clients involved in the earlier suit that reached the California Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, in one of the most emotionally-fought U.S. social issues, abortion rights advocates declared victory in two states.
Colorado voters rejected a measure that would have made abortion the legal equivalent of murder by defining human life as beginning at conception.
South Dakota defeated a ban on abortion that, if passed, had been expected to spark a court battle leading to the Supreme Court.
"We defeated it here, and it won't spread to other states," said Sarah Stoesz, president of the local Planned Parenthood chapter. "And now we've started a counter movement in a very conservative part of the country."
In other state ballots, Michigan voted to allow medical use of marijuana, Nebraska ended affirmative action, or policies to help minorities, and Washington voted to allow doctor-assisted suicide.
(Reporting by Peter Henderson, Alexandria Sage, Jim Christie and Ed Stoddard, editing by Vicki Allen)

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As much as I'm not a fan of homosexuality I think they should have the right to get married.
I guess my sentiment comes from knowing what it's like to be told that I do not have the right to do certain things. Many things which were and are important to me. If this is that important to them, I say let them.
November 6th, 2008  
major liability
 
 
Don't those social conservatives realize that we won't need as many abortions if we allow gays to marry?

In any case, good news across the board. Gay couples should be extended all the same rights as straight married couples, but it really can't be called marriage. It's not like they can't just get some civil union papers, hold a ceremony, and call it a marriage and tell all their friends it's a marriage. And no government should have a say in what goes on inside your body, unless you're living in the Brave New World.
November 6th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
I think if ultimately being legally called marriage is the issue, the homosexuals really need to yield in that case. By being legally recognized as a legitimate couple, they're getting a lot more than most people in the world could ever hope for.
After a generation or two maybe if society is ready for it, it can be called marriage or whatever.
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California Overturns Gay Marriage
November 6th, 2008  
senojekips
 
 
When gays are "supposedly" able to procreate, without outside interference, I'll recognise it as marriage. Until then, they are no more than two same sex people living in the same house. I used ti flat with half a dozen blokes, does thatt mean we should have been entitled to be recognised as married? Or is marriage recognised only among those who have sex with one another. It seems to me, that that these laws are framed by Eric Cartman.

It's all Politically Correct BS.
November 6th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
I guess I just feel this way because I know what it's like to be legally denied.
November 6th, 2008  
senojekips
 
 
It depends whether one is being denied for a legitimate reason I guess. Criminals are denied their freedom for good reason, stupid legislation denies people their rights on occasions, but we have to look at whether their "Rights" are actually rights or priveleges. The way I see it two poofs can live together if they wish to, and do not break any other laws. That to me is a privelege not a "right", as it does actually offend a great proportion of the public and is unnatural.

I'm sure I don't have to explain the birds and the bees to anyone here. Procreation is a right, (if it's not we are all doomed) self gratification is a privelege, no different than other means of enjoyment.
November 6th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
That's my view on many so called "rights" actually.
They are in fact privileges of living in countries that honor peoples' freedoms. Societies that value a level of logic and reason.
Which is why it's important to defend them.
November 6th, 2008  
mmarsh
 
 
Whether gays marry or not has no effect on my life. I dont buy for one iota the arguement that gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage. Its already legal in many countries and as I am getting married in May -so far no effect. To me that old arguement is not anti-gay marriage, thats simply anti-gay. I am a strong believer in "live and let live" and since Adam and Steve getting married as recognized by the state has no bearing on me, -why should I care what they do? I am not in the habit of sticking my nose in other people's business where I have no concern.

Marriage by the church is a different subject because most religons don't recognize homosexuality. Unless the church were to change its view on this I dont see how gays could get married in church.
November 6th, 2008  
senojekips
 
 
The state provides benefits for married couples because they take society forward, (they are society). Homosexuals live together for gratification, they don't have a claim on any benefits, the same as I could not claim marriage benefits if I was sharing a house with one or more straight friends.

One is a natural part of life, the other is merely for sexual gratification. There's no similarity and therefore no consideration needs to be given.

The state of marriage and "religion" have nothing to do with one another, other than the fact that one can be married under the auspices of the church. The fact that some cars have four wheels does not mean that everything with four wheels is therefore a car. Nothing to do with it whatsoever.

I'll leave it at that, as to go further and tell the whole truth in this Politically Correct world would probably lead to my being banned from this site.
November 6th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
The reproduction matter DOES need to be answered though. And as for homosexual parents having adopted children, I just don't know.
 


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