Busted - Lockerbie Bomber release was about oil

The evidence behind Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi's case was riddled with so many contradictions and unreliable evidence, any non-political trial would have thrown it out. In view of this and the fact that he is suffering anyway makes it all somewhat academic. The evidence behind BPs involvement is also flimsy and seems to be a part of an orchestrated campaign to demonise a foreign company so American ones will take over.

If you really want to hurt BP and the other polluters, hand in your gas guzzler for a smaller model, and don't fly unless it is necessary. It's about time consumers took some responsibility for their actions.
 
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perseus said:
The evidence behind Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi's case was riddled with so many contradictions and unreliable evidence, any non-political trial would have thrown it out. In view of this and the fact that he is suffering anyway makes it all somewhat academic. The evidence behind BPs involvement is also flimsy and seems to be a part of an orchestrated campaign to demonise a foreign company so American ones will take over.

If you really want to hurt BP and the other polluters, hand in your gas guzzler for a smaller model, and don't fly unless it is necessary. It's about time consumers took some responsibility for their actions.
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I hope that Algore follows his own advice and looks for ways to reduce his consumption.

Consumers will NEVER do this until it smacks them in the face. We only saw reductions in oil consumption when oil and gas prices went through the roof. I didn't see too much of an increase because I usually ride a scooter to work. My cost to fill up went from $1.50 to 2.00 for a weeks worth of commuting. :horsie:
 
perseus said:
The evidence behind Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi's case was riddled with so many contradictions and unreliable evidence, any non-political trial would have thrown it out. In view of this and the fact that he is suffering anyway makes it all somewhat academic. The evidence behind BPs involvement is also flimsy and seems to be a part of an orchestrated campaign to demonise a foreign company so American ones will take over.
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Spoken like a true stock holder.:)

Was he released because of an appeal that confirms your statement?

No, he was released because:

The Libyan man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing is likely to be freed on compassionate grounds next week, the BBC understands. Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, who has terminal prostate cancer, is serving life for murdering 270 people when Pan Am flight 103 exploded in 1988.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8198603.stm

My, my he did not die. Compassion for a killer of 270 people?

Basically you think he was convicted for political reasons.

But don't believe he could be released for political reasons? And that powerful companies can not influence governments? How refreshing.
 
This is one of those rare cases FOR socialism.

Between BP gross negligence, attemped whitewashing of the spill in the gulf and its extremely suspicious dealings to trade an oil deal for a mass murderer (which are probably true, but cannot be 100% proven) I personally wouldn't shed a single tear of Obama had the FBI seize every single asset BP owned in the US.
 
Consumers will NEVER do this until it smacks them in the face
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Actually this is truer than you think. The equivalent price for gasoline in the UK is 6.75 $/US gallon and the roads are getting clogged up to the point we may have to start paying for them as well!

Spoken like a true stock holder.
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You are nearly right since everyone who holds a pension over here probably has an investment in this company, although since mine is a final salary scheme it should have no effect unless it goes bust. It will affect the economy though.

It pisses of the UK population no end because they feel as if BP is taking all the stick to hide others mistakes. There are many other companies involved which will probably avoid paying anything. Obama also willingly gave in to deep sea drilling due to lobbying by all the oil companies, energy security for the US, and presumably because of the potential tax revenues.

Greedy Businesses will get away with as much as they can since their commitment is to profits and shareholders. It is up to governments to regulate, so much for 'Socialist' Obama.

The Bhopal issue also recently came to prominence due to convinctions of Indian nationals. Here Ex US Directors wriggled out of prosecution and Dow Chemical escaped paying decent compensation to families of possibly 16000 deceased, 4000 seriously impaired and 500,000 more temporarily affected in some way.

It is American oil companies who will benefit from this. Exxon in contrast seemed to get off almost Scott free in the Valdez incident.
 
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It is American oil companies who will benefit from this. Exxon in contrast seemed to get off almost Scott free in the Valdez incident.
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Exxon learned from the Valdez incident and made SIGNIFICANT changes to their corporate culture. BP has been ignoring the warning signs.

OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation.
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Exxon has taken drastic steps to improve their safety record and it shows.​
 
perseus said:
Actually this is truer than you think. The equivalent price for gasoline in the UK is 6.75 $/US gallon and the roads are getting clogged up to the point we may have to start paying for them as well!
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You don't pay for your roads?

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Obama also willingly gave in to deep sea drilling due to lobbying by all the oil companies, energy security for the US, and presumably because of the potential tax revenues.
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Whether you like President Obama are not, those are very good reasons for him to support off shore drilling along with a balanced energy plan for the future. BPs negligence should not change his plan.

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Greedy Businesses will get away with as much as they can since their commitment is to profits and shareholders. It is up to governments to regulate, so much for 'Socialist' Obama.
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Often referred to as Capitalism.
And like in Britain, oil company shareholders are you and me, if you have a retirement plan. (That does not include winning a lottery :-D)

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The Bhopal issue also recently came to prominence due to convictions of Indian nationals. Here Ex US Directors wriggled out of prosecution and Dow Chemical escaped paying decent compensation to families of possibly 16000 deceased, 4000 seriously impaired and 500,000 more temporarily affected in some way.
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Makes you long for the days of benevolent British Colonial rule.

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It is American oil companies who will benefit from this. Exxon in contrast seemed to get off almost Scott free in the Valdez incident.
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What seems to bother you is American companies making money instead of British companies?

Took twenty years, but you are right. Now we will see how good BPs lawyers are. Of course I will probably be dead before all the lawsuits are decided.

Of course nothing you are I have said in these last posts has anything to do with the topic.

The topic really is about government collusion with companies, not just about BP
 
Chuckpike is correct. It is unfortunate that oil companies are allowed to contribute to candidates. Not exactly ethical in my mind but.... that is the system that we have. If anyone owns stock in BP the day after this incident happened was too late to sell your stock.
 
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Actually this is truer than you think. The equivalent price for gasoline in the UK is 6.75 $/US gallon and the roads are getting clogged up to the point we may have to start paying for them as well!
You don't pay for your roads?
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Yes a fixed fee per year depending on the vehicle, but there are plans to pay variable fees per mile depending upon the level of congestion.

What seems to bother you is American companies making money instead of British companies?
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No what bothers me is American oil companies benefiting from this incident at the expense of British ones, which they will. As a recent report suggested this could have happened to any of them, since the standards were similar. All the contractors seem to be getting off scott free as well.

Whether you like President Obama are not, those are very good reasons for him to support off shore drilling along with a balanced energy plan for the future. BPs negligence should not change his plan.
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I think Obama is attemping to Distract from his own (and Bush's) incompetence

As more details emerge, it is becoming increasingly clear that federal regulators under both the Bush and Obama administrations ceded enforcement of legally-mandated safety and environmental regulation to the oil industry, while providing governmental approval for unproven methods. It is these policies that led directly to the deaths of eleven workers on the Deepwater Horizon and the environmental catastrophe overtaking the Gulf of Mexico.
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/gulf-m06.shtml


This spill isn't the only large one, it is the only one being widely reported. Unless we are prepared to pay more, safety standards will be compromised. Better still lets start to replace oil altogether for the other environmental reasons (if you don't think this is possible read the link in my signature)

Here are some similar views

Criticism of America
A columnist in Bloomberg criticized America's response to the oil spill as "hypocritical" saying the "US is guilty of crazy double standards. Hayward should go on TV and say: 'Excuse me, which country is the biggest oil consumer on the planet? Who refused to do anything about climate change, or even to put sensible taxes on gas? Heck, your president even flies around in a 747 when a modest Gulfstream jet would get him there just as fast. So of course the oil companies have to drill in more and more dangerous places. If you insist on being addicted to cheap oil, you have to recognise there are risks attached. So grow up, and stop acting like children.'"[279] Jon Snow, at Channel 4, drew parallels with an industrial disaster by the American company Union Carbide, now taken over by Dow Chemicals saying "At least 3,000 people died immediately, some 15,000 are estimated to have died since as a results of ingesting the fumes...Beyond the 11 people killed on the exploding oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico no one has yet died from the consequent oil spill. Yet an American president is now at war with a British multinational and all political guns are blazing." He pointed out that an arrest warrant had been issued for Warren Anderson, the former Union Carbide chief executive, but no action had been taken on the part of the Americans.[280] Al Jazeera's Abid Ali asked "Is BP bashing getting out of hand?" in regards to new calls from US legislators over BP’s alleged involvement in the release of al Megrahi from Scotland to Libya. He then said "it’s a bit rich for a nation that has the biggest lobbying industry in the world, that regularly waters down legislation and strong arms other nations into buying American, to be questioning the motive of others." Also asking why Chevron Texaco, which is apparently on the hook for $27 billion, for dumping 56 billon litres of toxic waste in the Ecuadorian Amazon.[281]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill
 
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