Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq. - Page 18

October 8th, 2004  
walkerd, dont have to argue with others about this at all:

Everbody in this world knows that WMD is a excuse for Bush to go after Iraq.

Of course, he couldnot get any single piece of evidence for WMD cause there is none!

But you kown, people have this or that kind of "phscological effect" , if you keep telling youself that you can fly 1000 times everyday, i am sure just one week later, you DO beileve you can fly and you might really want to jump out from empire state building
October 8th, 2004  
Airborne Eagle
To accept the notion that the administration lied is to, in effect, state:

The collective intelligence services of the industrialized world also "lied" by stating (for well over a decade) Saddam had WMDs and WMD programs.

Saddam never offered proof his stockpiles were destroyed, claimed he still possessed them, and all sources pointed to him having them and maintaining them.

It's counter-intuitive and pretty illogical for anyone to hear the roar from intelligence services throughout the world (including the UN sources) claiming he had WMDs, hear Saddam constantly claim he had WMDs, see no evidence of the destruction of his stockpiles (recorded at the end of the first Gulf War), and conclude no WMDs existed.

For all the blather about Bush being dumb, only a true fool could turn their mind from that chorus of information and state the entire world is wrong.

Besides, I thought the anti-Bush folks wanted to knock him for not being aggressive enough pre-9/11. Now he's being knocked for being too aggressive against a threat with more information collected on it?

None of this follows a logical progression and continuation of thought.
October 8th, 2004  
I think it's legitimate to hold him responsible for it, and base your opinion of him on a "bad move". Whether you thought Saddam should have stayed in power, or perhaps taken a more lighter road and tried to persuade the UN.

I personally believe he made the right choice given the circumstances, but I do question some of it's execution.

But all this rubbish about him "lying" is just plain stupid. And anyone who believes that is either uneducated about the topic, or refuses to believe anything else.
October 8th, 2004  
A Can of Man
Actually there was some evidence he destroyed some WMD. But the problem was, there was no evidence on how much he destroyed.
October 8th, 2004  
Originally Posted by walkerd
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Answer one very basic question for me then: How did some 100,000 Kurds and an unknown number of Iranians die? Simultaneous food poisoning? Plague? I was under the impression that good ol Saddam gassed the poor bastards.
I am not sure what you are getting at. That is your proof of WOMD?

Unless you want to provide some evidence I guess we have nothing more to say. If you can not or will not supply any supporting evidence of WOMD then there is nothing more to say. Show me a news report, show me an offical press release with proof, anything will do.
Sorry for the delay in my response. Here is one source: http://britons4peace.org.uk/articles/raju2.html
In 1988, as a staff member working for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I documented Iraqi chemical weapons attacks on 49 Kurdish villages in Dihok Province along Iraq's border with Turkey. These attacks began on Aug. 25, 1988, five days after the Iran-Iraq war ended, and were specifically targeted on civilians.

As a result of the committee's report, the Senate unanimously approved comprehensive sanctions on Iraq.

Between March 1987 and August 1988, Iraq made extensive use of chemical weapons against Kurdish villages as part of a campaign aimed at depopulating rural Kurdistan. These attacks have been well documented by human rights groups, forensic investigators and the Kurds themselves. Many occurred in places far from the front line in the Iran-Iraq war.

The Kurdish survivors of the Halabja attack all blame Iraq, and many report seeing Iraqi markings on the low-flying aircraft that delivered the lethal gas. While the most deadly, the Halabja attack was one of between 60 and 180 such attacks that took thousands of civilian lives.

Washington, Feb. 3, 2003
And further,
Iraqi forces used mustard and nerve gases, as well as mass executions, to kill some 100,000 Kurds in the genocidal 1988 Anfal campaign. The commander, Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid, said of the Kurds, in a taped speech obtained by Human Rights Watch: "I will kill them all with chemical weapons! Who is going to say anything? The international community?"
It looks as though several people people beat me to putting in sources. Mustard gas and nerve gas, if you were unaware of it, just happen to be WMD. He did have them at one point. We know that for certain. Based on his behavior and past experience, it was entirely reasonable to assume that he would keeps such weapons. He would likely think he was giving up some shred of power, something he never would have done intentionally.

The point is not to say the use of Chemical Weapons in 1987 is absolute proof of those same weapons existing in 2002, but if anyone ever ACTED guilty about such things, it was Iraq. Why were they so determined to disallow UN inspectors unrestricted access? Why were they behaving like they had something to hide if they did not? No, its not hard evidence nor is it a smoking gun. The lack of hard evidence would hurt your case in courtroom, but how does it "prove" that 1.) there never was any WMD and 2.) the United States invaded knowing fully that there were no WMD??

There will always be a conspiracy theorist around to tell you all about how the President knew everything about everything and even saying that Bush secretly contracted the 9/11 attacks. There are also lots of sources claiming that the US government has extensive relation with space aliens. You believe that too?
October 9th, 2004  
There can be no doubt that Saddam had at one point or another, a large stock pile of WMD's, we have video footage of the WMD's in use, their effect on the Kurds and Iranians, and the destructions of thousands of tons of WMD's, a large portion of which were nerve gases. The questiong is whether Saddam had them in 2003, as the CIA, FBI, Bush, France, Russia, Germany, Britain, Israel, Poland, Spain, Italy, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Japan, and China claimed they did, we will likely never know the truth, although I have heard from a number of people who were in Iraq that their units discovered many WMD's in Iraq, some of which are even members of this site. But, putting the WMD story behind, since it is clearly an international conspiracy so we can tap Iraq's vast supply of oil, not that oil is a problem, Saudi Arabia has more oil than we need and we are not about to stop buying from them because if we do Al Qaeda could very likely take over the government of Saudi Arabia, no more money from the sell of oil and the Saudi's power disappears, Saddam should have been removed because he murdered hundreds of thousands of people, the key difference between Hitler and Saddam is that Saddam actually took pleasure in killing many of his victims himself, where as Hitler had other people doing his dirty work for him.
October 9th, 2004  

Mod edit: I feel you, but no. Reread the forum rules.
October 10th, 2004  
Originally Posted by Lupos

Mod edit: I feel you, but no. Reread the forum rules.
Sorry, I was just tired and in a bad mood that night. Whosewar2000 has been shouting ignorant things about the US everywhere. I just felt the need to correct him in the same manner he makes his statements. Sorry for saying that though. I promise I will not do it again.
October 11th, 2004  

Topic: Re: Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq.

Originally Posted by walkerd
The invasion of Iraq and the hostage situation in Russia have nothing to do with kids in America going to school or even being safe.

The whole post is just......odd.

You do not border a Fundamental Islamic state that you are at war with. So why the connection to Russia?
The fact that we do not border an Islamic country that we at at war with didn't stop 19 radical Islamics from crashing airplanes into building here in the US, now did it?

What has invading Iraq have to do with kids going to school?

I already gave the reason for this on the original post.

Bush did the right thing.
October 12th, 2004  
A question comes to mind: How can you display proof of the absence of something?