Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq. - Page 16




 
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October 6th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
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Get back on topic, all future off topic posts will be deleted.
October 6th, 2004  
walkerd
 

Topic: Re: Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq.


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Originally Posted by gladius
First day of school was today, in my area at least. You could see the masses of kids and the traffic jams of the parents cars caused by all this.

I couldn't help but think, what if it was here in the US that the terrorist attacked on the kids first day of school instead of in Russia.

It was widely known that the terrorist and extremist flocked to Iraq in order to fight our troops. They saw this as a good and easy opportunity to harm the US. Who knows how many of them we killed. Each one of those we killed over there is one less that could potentialy come over here and do us harm.

I seriuosly believe that if we hadn't gone over to Iraq, some of those terrorist who got killed over there would have made plans to do some kind of strike somewhere. Out of those at least some would have picked the US as a target. If they would have been succesful, we will never know, and I'm glad.

I know we lost over a thousand troops in Iraq already. But I sincerely believe they didn't die vain. Because of them, the kids who went to school today all came home safely.
Hi

The content of your post is a seperate issue from the title of the thread so I will answer them separately.

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The invasion of Iraq and the hostage situation in Russia have nothing to do with kids in America going to school or even being safe.

The whole post is just......odd.

You do not border a Fundamental Islamic state that you are at war with. So why the connection to Russia?

What has invading Iraq have to do with kids going to school? No one is threatning your schools. The only risk of gunfire in a US school is from a disgruntled student.

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Did Bush do the right thing?

I suspect some Iraq's will be better off. Some will be worse off. Certainly the war itself was very destructive and we can only hope that the USA provides suffient support to the Iraq people. It was my understanding that Iraq was a normal middle eastern dicatorship before the war. Fairly modern and providing adequate services to the majority of its citizens.

Most of the hard ships were caused my the blockade, not by Saddam. Having said that certain groups that Saddam opposed were treated terribly and their lives have improved imensly.

The issue I have is the lack of integrity of the US government. They claimed they went into the war to remove WMD. Clearly none were there. Even worse they knew none would be there, or should have known. If the USA wishes to act as a polcieman and remove "evil dicators" they they should do that. Not just pick and choose but stand up and show they have the integrity to support there international stand.

I know I for one believe my own Prime Minister John Howard (Australia) has shown himself to lack moral fibre due to his stand to support the USA in the war.

So, no, Bush did the wrong thing.
October 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
I believe G.Bush did the right thing for his father old Bush but he did a terrible wrong thing to invade Iraq.

Why for his father? Since when he started the war I already knew he wanted to invade Iraq to revenge for this father, why? because old Bush's portrets were painted on the entry ground of the Iraqi hotels, everyone was stepping over Bush's head, young Bush couldn't pick that, so he knew there was no WMD but he loved to believe there was WMD so he went to war to do personal revenge.

Saddam did a silly thing, he should not flame the dude Bush, since he is a cowboy type too, he wouldn't pick it, so Saddam got sacked.

Very simple, if you can read people's mind.
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October 6th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Brilliance, frog
October 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
Brilliance, frog
I hope you don't mean sarcasm

I watched the Bush portrets thing in CNN.

If I were Bush, I would not pick it either, it is very human, but, for personal reasons, enage a war, losing thousands own soldiers, let alone tens thousand lives in Iraq, that's mean.
October 6th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Like I said, legally it was by no means an "illegal" war as Kofi Annan wants you to believe.
Resolution 1441 (or whatever it was) stated that non compliance would result in severe consequences, and by severe they meant force.
Did he do the right thing? Hind sight says probably not. With America's military tied down in one region, the bad boys of the rest of the world have started to trash talk and flex muscles (Iran, China and North Korea).
So in retrospect, no it wasn't the smart thing to do.
October 6th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
China might start a war to "punish" someone, (Vietnam) but I'm afraid we don't work like that.
October 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
the_13th_redneck, don't put China in the "axis of evils', Bush only pointed out 3 not 4
October 6th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
It's true, Iraq, Iran, and North Korea are the listed bad guys.

Though if it wasn't for Taiwan and Korean issues, I would feel a lot better about snugglin' up to China.
October 6th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 

Topic: Re: Bush did the right thing by going into Iraq.


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Originally Posted by walkerd
Did Bush do the right thing?

I suspect some Iraq's will be better off. Some will be worse off. Certainly the war itself was very destructive and we can only hope that the USA provides suffient support to the Iraq people. It was my understanding that Iraq was a normal middle eastern dicatorship before the war. Fairly modern and providing adequate services to the majority of its citizens.
Just FYI, from what my cousin saw (he was over there working in a semi-military function), those people Saddam liked were given great favors and many modern things. Those he didn't like were often forced to live in Medieval circumstances with little or no benefit from modern things.

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Most of the hard ships were caused my the blockade, not by Saddam. Having said that certain groups that Saddam opposed were treated terribly and their lives have improved imensly.
Good point, but remember that the sanctions were UN imposed.

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They claimed they went into the war to remove WMD. Clearly none were there. Even worse they knew none would be there, or should have known.
The biggest load of nonsense I've heard beaten into the ground by the international community= "Saddam never had WMD and the United States knew it and invaded for no legitimate reason." His nuclear capabilities were certainly in doubt. But 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' includes chemical weapons. We know he had them. He used them on Iran and on the Kurds and we have more than enough proof on that score. There was no reason for anyone to believe that a power-hungry man like Saddam would just simply get rid of such things, but apparently he did so ... or hid them too well for anyone to find them. The real question is not whether he had them, its finding out what he did with those he had. The intelligence information for the USA, Russia, France and Britain all pointed to a significant threat in Iraq. Whatever those reports were pointing at has been very cleverly removed or sent elsewhere or it was a blatant smoke and mirrors trick by Saddam himself. The outrage of the international community is partly valid because the connection with the War on Terror and Iraq was nowhere near as obvious as Afganistan. When changing regimes ... well be prepared to catch a lot of crap no matter what.

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If the USA wishes to act as a polcieman and remove "evil dicators" they they should do that. Not just pick and choose but stand up and show they have the integrity to support there international stand.
I agree with this. I'm not crazy about the idea of the United States playing policeman, but at the same time, the world has generally been better off for it. The current outrage on the part of the international community will make it hard for the United States to continue to fill such a role in the future.

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I know I for one believe my own Prime Minister John Howard (Australia) has shown himself to lack moral fibre due to his stand to support the USA in the war.

So, no, Bush did the wrong thing.
Mostly a product of bad information. Its a legit mistake at best, and it really hasn't made the world any worse off. Also (and everyone fails to take note of this fact) the number 1 funder of terrorism worldwide is no longer in power.