Bullpup vs. classic rifle designs? - Page 11




 
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January 20th, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostrider
Mmm, BBQ, beer, pie, I like the sound of that, and shall we say the next weekend in Fairbanks, Alaska? I need a similar intervention

Then we need to get you state side my friend! Hell where I am from even if the global economy collaspes we would still have plenty of meat on the grill lol.

However, on the mulitple barrel weapon , Mr. 5.56 I also have a question as well.

Is this a similar design to weapons Soviet Tankers often carried, meaning was it capable of being fired through the weapon ports of many Soviet armored vehicles under war time conditions?

Lastly, a observation I have noticed about this three barreled weapon.


Wouldn't in theory the operator, regardless of hit percentage, have to carry three times as many magazines as a standard Soviet Soldier with an normal AKM?

Meaning, in order to substain the same amount of fire for the same amount of time in the field,if only using a standard issued number of magizines then even though the Soviet soldier with the three barelled weapon fires 3 rounds to every 1 of the AKM equiped soldier...

Then in theory the 3 barreled weapon would guzzel a standard equiped soldiers ammuntion much quicker than a normal Soviet Issued AKM wielding soldier.

UNLESS the one with the 3 barelled weapon carried three times as much 7.62x39 mm.... and three times the weight...

Hence why I asked if maybe this was also a armored crewman exlusive design...
January 20th, 2012  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Then we need to get you state side my friend! Hell where I am from even if the global economy collaspes we would still have plenty of meat on the grill lol.

However, on the mulitple barrel weapon , Mr. 5.56 I also have a question as well.

Is this a similar design to weapons Soviet Tankers often carried, meaning was it capable of being fired through the weapon ports of many Soviet armored vehicles under war time conditions?

Lastly, a observation I have noticed about this three barreled weapon.


Wouldn't in theory the operator, regardless of hit percentage, have to carry three times as many magazines as a standard Soviet Soldier with an normal AKM?

Meaning, in order to substain the same amount of fire for the same amount of time in the field,if only using a standard issued number of magizines then even though the Soviet soldier with the three barelled weapon fires 3 rounds to ever 1 of the AKM equiped soldier...

Then in theory the 3 barreled weapon would guzzel a standard equiped soldiers ammuntion much quicker than a normal Soviet Issued AKM wielding soldier.

UNLESS the one with the 3 barelled weapon carried three times as much 7.62x39 mm.... and three times the weight...

Hence why I asked if maybe this was also a armored crewman exlusive design...
What is wrong with Alaska? It is a part of the U.S., and perhaps you guys, will appreciate the winter, it is -32 C (-26 F) here today, it is soooo nice, I have been out and enjoyed the day
January 20th, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostrider
What is wrong with Alaska? It is a part of the U.S., and perhaps you guys, will appreciate the winter, it is -32 C (-26 F) here today, it is soooo nice, I have been out and enjoyed the day

A tid bit cold... But I guess with the right about of fire wood I can manage... lol.

As for the 3 barrel Soviet experimental bullpup.

I would hate to change the center barrel on that thing....

Imagine how that conversation would go.

Me: Hey I think I warped the center barrel after a little to much "rock and roll"...

Armorer: No problem man, go grab those chains, and I will go get the tank recovery vehicle.
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January 21st, 2012  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
A tid bit cold... But I guess with the right about of fire wood I can manage... lol.

As for the 3 barrel Soviet experimental bullpup.

I would hate to change the center barrel on that thing....

Imagine how that conversation would go.

Me: Hey I think I warped the center barrel after a little to much "rock and roll"...

Armorer: No problem man, go grab those chains, and I will go get the tank recovery vehicle.
There is no cold weather, only bad clothes, my friend. The bullpup seem to be odd. The tested a lot of things, and they still do. What is your opinion of the best bullpup out there?
January 21st, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
AUG style layout, hands down, maybe one of the American market models, like Mr. 5.56's.

Haven't had the bullpup experiance yet, but defiently I would go for the proven AUG model, today's models like the F 88 A3 are supposed to be even more refined than the orginal production model.

The weapon is proven, it has the history and adoption record to back it up.

But I will admit, while shouldering an AR 15 style weapon for instance, I have pondered the thought of a bullpup, so naturally I reached up and grabbed the stock of the weapon and simulated a mag change much to the bewilderment of the weapon owner.

My conclusion?...

Magazine is in the wrong place, I don't know, I just prefer the feeling of a traditional layout.

Hence my fantasy before I die about going through the mountains of guvment paper work and getting approved to own an FAL style rifile.
January 21st, 2012  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostrider
. What is your opinion of the best bullpup out there?
In all honesty Ghostrider calling anything the best bullpup is a misnomer. The magazine is in the wrong place, in most cases it cannot be fired off the weak shoulder around cover, try that with an SA80 and you'll lose your teeth. Ask yourself why the SAS won't have anything to do with it.

I agree with Yossarian, the traditional layout is far superior.
January 21st, 2012  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Then we need to get you state side my friend! Hell where I am from even if the global economy collaspes we would still have plenty of meat on the grill lol.

However, on the mulitple barrel weapon , Mr. 5.56 I also have a question as well.

Is this a similar design to weapons Soviet Tankers often carried, meaning was it capable of being fired through the weapon ports of many Soviet armored vehicles under war time conditions?

Lastly, a observation I have noticed about this three barreled weapon.


Wouldn't in theory the operator, regardless of hit percentage, have to carry three times as many magazines as a standard Soviet Soldier with an normal AKM?

Meaning, in order to substain the same amount of fire for the same amount of time in the field,if only using a standard issued number of magizines then even though the Soviet soldier with the three barelled weapon fires 3 rounds to every 1 of the AKM equiped soldier...

Then in theory the 3 barreled weapon would guzzel a standard equiped soldiers ammuntion much quicker than a normal Soviet Issued AKM wielding soldier.

UNLESS the one with the 3 barelled weapon carried three times as much 7.62x39 mm.... and three times the weight...

Hence why I asked if maybe this was also a armored crewman exlusive design...
i'm drunk and in Las Vegas.... let me sober up next week and I shall go after this question.
January 21st, 2012  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
In all honesty Ghostrider calling anything the best bullpup is a misnomer. The magazine is in the wrong place, in most cases it cannot be fired off the weak shoulder around cover, try that with an SA80 and you'll lose your teeth. Ask yourself why the SAS won't have anything to do with it.

I agree with Yossarian, the traditional layout is far superior.
You haven't played with a FN P90 or FN PS90 then... magazine is in the right place and the spent shells are ejected downwards! Awesome!
January 21st, 2012  
captiva303
 
 
It all comes down to drills and what you are used to. Just because you are unfamiliar with something doesn't mean it is bad.
The reload isnt that awkward the mag is further forward than you probably think.

oh and Yossarian you will be liking the EF88 thats coming soon.
Take a look http://lem.nioa.com.au/products/view...enade-launcher
January 21st, 2012  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian

Lastly, a observation I have noticed about this three barreled weapon.


Wouldn't in theory the operator, regardless of hit percentage, have to carry three times as many magazines as a standard Soviet Soldier with an normal AKM?

Meaning, in order to substain the same amount of fire for the same amount of time in the field,if only using a standard issued number of magizines then even though the Soviet soldier with the three barelled weapon fires 3 rounds to every 1 of the AKM equiped soldier...

Then in theory the 3 barreled weapon would guzzel a standard equiped soldiers ammuntion much quicker than a normal Soviet Issued AKM wielding soldier.

UNLESS the one with the 3 barelled weapon carried three times as much 7.62x39 mm.... and three times the weight...

Hence why I asked if maybe this was also a armored crewman exlusive design...
About the only other thing might be a special mission like attacking a densly populated target like a Barracks/parade ground full of troops vs a general issue situation.
 


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