British troops under-equipped, overstretched in Iraq

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Media: AFP
Byline: n/a
Date: 10 August 2006

LONDON - Essential military kit must be sent to Iraq urgently to protect
British troops who are under-equipped and overstretched despite escalating
violence there, a parliamentary committee reported Thursday.

The all-party defence committee highlighted shortages in vital equipment,
including armoured vehicles and helicopters, and said repeated tours of duty
were threatening the army's operational effectiveness.

"(We) were disturbed by the deficiencies in equipment they faced," the MPs
said in a report based on a visit to some of Britain's 7,200 troops in
southern Iraq.

"The MoD (Ministry of Defence) must address equipment shortages and
capability gaps as a matter of urgency. Our forces cannot wait for long-term
procurement projects to come to fruition; they need the kit now.

"We cannot send them on operations without giving them the tools they need
to do the job."

British involvement in the March 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq is still a
controversial subject here, particularly with the mounting death toll: 115
British personnel have since been killed in Iraq.

Concerns about equipment are equally long-standing: US troops nicknamed
their British counterparts "The Borrowers" because of their frequent
requests for kit while other problems date from the 1991 Gulf War.

Chief among the MPs' worries was the ineffectiveness of so-called "Snatch"
Land Rovers against the increasing use of road-side bombs.

Defence Secretary Des Browne has already ordered an urgent review after
several soldiers died while on patrol; he has pledged to send more
heavily-protected vehicles to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the members of parliament said: "It is unsatisfactory that the lack of
capability was not addressed with greater urgency much earlier."

On helicopters, they said there was a "deeply concerning shortage" and if
not addressed, "the effectiveness and coherence of UK operations on the
ground will suffer".

The committee also said it was "alarmed" that explosive-suppressant foam may
not be fitted to aircraft, despite the deaths of 10 personnel in a missile
attack on their Hercules C-130 transport plane in January 2005.

Former defence secretary John Reid conceded in May this year that the foam
-- which stops fuel tanks exploding when pierced by bullets and has been
standard on US planes since the Vietnam War -- may have saved their lives.

On repeated tours of duty, the MPs said official denials of overstretch
"contrasts with what we are hearing from service personnel on the ground".

"The issues raised in this report give rise to a fundamental question: are
our armed forces structured, trained and equipped to fulfil the role
envisaged for them...

"This is a question that goes to the heart of the government's defence
policy. We believe this question needs to be addressed."

In response, Browne said many of the report's recommendations were already
being carried out.

"There is no room for complacency, and I welcome the committee's scrutiny. I
will respond to the report in full when I have studied it in more detail,"
he added.
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Will there ever be a day when a headline says
"Army recieves to much equipment, surplus gear goes to waste"


I don't think so. You can never have too much, and any army on deployment will always need more than it has.
 
Yeah.... SUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRREEE...


The same day the media appologizes for poor representation and sensationalism.
 
Or when the US admits that its Iraq war was a based on false charges and that it has caused a lot of damage for no reason and has probably done more harm that good for the iraqis. Sorry, didn't mean to make this political, but the reason the soldiers are overstrecthed in the first place was because of the iraqi invasion anyway.
 
Or when the US admits that its Iraq war was a based on false charges and that it has caused a lot of damage for no reason and has probably done more harm that good for the iraqis. Sorry, didn't mean to make this political, but the reason the soldiers are overstrecthed in the first place was because of the iraqi invasion anyway.

No.
Soldiers are always overstretched.
It will always be that way, and the media will always jump on it.
We accept that fact, and deal with it, rather than blaming it on others.
 
Well, there's over stretch, but there's a number of deeper issues.

The cliche is to talk about a "Cold War" posture, when pre-positioned heavy armor was supposed to stop the Soviets rolling across the German plains and the light infantry was supposed to be parachuted behind the lines. Even if that was never really true, the Light Armoured Vehicle probably did fall out of fashion, and it's taking a while to make up the gap.

The British Army is now waiting for its new all singing all dancing FRES C130-transportable, RPG-resistant Light Armoured Vehicles. Until these arrive, they are making do with some older pieces of kit (such as their "snatch" landrovers and CVR (T) Saracen reconnaisance vehicles, which some of the more recent casualties have been taken in). I also hear they are upgrading the FV432 personnel carriers to keep them going to 2020.

With regard to helicopters you probably Never Can Get Enough (TM) but the reports do seem to indicate that the British were waiting for extras to be provided by other Nato countries, and there are budget contraints. Service conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan were said to be harsher than expected and so the issue wasn't so much number of machines as available hours (after downtime).

Despite all these high tech solutions coming one day, it looks like the poor infantry are back to hiking with their rifles, just like the 19th century. Maybe some things never do change after all.
 
AussieNick said:
No.
Soldiers are always overstretched.
It will always be that way, and the media will always jump on it.
We accept that fact, and deal with it, rather than blaming it on others.

That's one of those situations that you had to have been there to understand. I can remember going to Cold Battery because we needed a vacuum tube for the Computer so the platoon Sgt went to Bde and brought back a case of black spray paint so we could paint over all the rusty window and door screens. We couldn't shoot down a Russian bomber but our screens sure looked nice.
 
Well over stretched and unequipped, what has changed it has been like that for hundreds of years

Exactly. You've just gotta do the best with what you've got.
Here in Australia the defence force is not funding priority number one, the Navy and Airforce get far more of the pie than we do, but there isn't much point jumping up and down about it. Just do the job with what you've got.
 
That's what it is good for you guys to go on deployments. You get a little bit of $$ for going to help out with those types of issues.
 
I understand that, but there are "Political Favors" and "Debt Forgiveness" given to other nations for their contributions to this conflict. If you don't believe that, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
 
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