Bloody Foreigners: Battle of Britain

viper2007

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Greetings, I came across this on youtube and I thought I would like to share with all...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptijNcDanVw&feature=related"]Bloody foreigners. Untold Battle of Britain. (polskie napisy) - YouTube[/ame]

I always knew that Britain at that time had many pilots that came from many of her colonies, but this movie was really interesting to watch...

Enjoy...
 
Greetings, I came across this on youtube and I thought I would like to share with all...

Bloody foreigners. Untold Battle of Britain. (polskie napisy) - YouTube

I always knew that Britain at that time had many pilots that came from many of her colonies, but this movie was really interesting to watch...

Enjoy...

The highest scoring Ace was a Polish bloke called Witold Urbanowicz of 303 Sqn.

What was a disgrace, Polish servicemen were not allowed to take part in the VE Day march past. Bloody Stalin and politics.
 
The highest scoring Ace was a Polish bloke called Witold Urbanowicz of 303 Sqn.

What was a disgrace, Polish servicemen were not allowed to take part in the VE Day march past. Bloody Stalin and politics.

The Polish were some of the most aggressive fighter pilots flying.
One intelligence officer said he always knew he was looking at Polish, Czech, etc. gun camera film with out looking at the names, because they always got closer than anyone else, to ensure a kill!
 
Polish servicemen battled all over europe with the allies but were abandoned by them in favor of Stalin. A disgrace.
 
Polish servicemen battled all over europe with the allies but were abandoned by them in favor of Stalin. A disgrace.

The Poles were without doubt, brave and determined fighters, it was the Pole who after all took Monte Cassino.

But lets not forget the other nationalities who fought in the Battle of Britain:-

Czechs
Americans
Canadians
New Zealanders
Australians
South Africans
Rhodesians
Southern Irish
French
Jamaican
Sri Lankan

Each and everyone of them a brave man, without whom the Battle of Britain could never have been won.
 
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http://homepage.mac.com/oldtownman/WW2Timeline/eaglesquadron.html
 
Interesting stuff. I never knew they had their own formations.

Very much so Big Z.

The first Eagle Squadron (No. 71) was formed in September 1940, and became operational for defensive duties on 5 February 1941. The three Eagle Squadrons were numbered 71, 121, and 133. Of the thousands that volunteered, 244 Americans served with the three Eagle Squadrons; 16 Britons also served as Squadron and Flight commanders.

71 Squadron commenced operations base at RAF Church Fenton in early 1941, before a move to Kirton-in-Lindsay. In April the Squadron transferred to RAF Martlesham Heath in Suffolk for operations over Europe. During May they suffered their first loss when Mike Kolendorski was killed during a fighter sweep over Holland. Intensity of operations stepped up with a move into No 11 Group of Fighter Command, being based at RAF North Weald by June 1941.

On 2 July William J. Hall became the first 'Eagle' pilot to become a POW when he was shot down during an escort mission. The squadron's first confirmed victory came on 21 July 1941 when P/O W. Dunn destroyed a Messerschmitt Bf 109F over Lille. In August the Spitfire Mk II replaced their Hurricanes, before quickly re-equipping with the latest Spitfire Mk V. The unit soon established a high reputation, and numerous air kill claims were made in RAF fighter sweeps over the continent during the summer and autumn of 1941. In December the Squadron was rested back at Martlesham Heath, before a move to Debden in May 1942.

On 29 September 1942, the three squadrons were officially turned over by the RAF to the fledgling Eighth Air Force of the USAAF and became the 4th Fighter Group. The Eagle pilots had earned 12 Distinguished Flying Crosses and one Distinguished Service Order. Only four of the 34 original Eagle pilots were still present when the squadrons joined the USAAF.

Typical were the fates of the eight original pilots in the third squadron: Four died during training, one was disqualified, two died in combat, and one was a prisoner of war. About 100 Eagle pilots had been killed, were missing, or were prisoners. Negotiations regarding the transfer between the Eagle Squadrons, USAAF, and the RAF had to resolve a number of issues. The RAF wanted some compensation for losing three front-line squadrons in which they had heavily invested. Determining what rank each pilot would assume in the USAAF had to be negotiated, with most being given a rank equivalent to their RAF rank. For example, a Wing Commander became a Major. None of the Eagle Squadron pilots had served in the USAAF and did not have US pilot wings. It was decided to give them US pilot wings upon their transfer.

Major General Carl Spaatz, head of the USAAF in Europe, wanted to spread the experience of the Eagles amongst various new US fighter squadrons. However, the pilots of the three Eagle Squadrons wanted to stay together. The 71, 121, and 133 squadrons were respectively designated by the USAAF as the 334th, 335th, and 336th and transferred as complete units, retaining their Spitfires until P-47 Thunderbolts became available in January 1943. The 4th Fighter Group flew Spitfires until its conversion to P-47s was completed in April 1943. The 4th Fighter Wing, along with the 334th, 335th, and 336th Fighter Squadrons, exist today at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in Goldsboro, North Carolina and are part of the Ninth Air Force.
 
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The Polish were some of the most aggressive fighter pilots flying.
One intelligence officer said he always knew he was looking at Polish, Czech, etc. gun camera film with out looking at the names, because they always got closer than anyone else, to ensure a kill!

According to the video, whilst other pilots will start shooting from a range of 400 meters, the Polish pilots will cloose in to about 100 metres, and they will open up... what guts...!:salute:
 
I must say I dislike the title of on this thread, growing up as a young lad I can't remember any one having a go at the troops from overseas, and my I think we had them from nearly every country in the world. Okay there were some disagreements over girls and there were plenty of young men in all the forces stationed in the UK who were not beyond throwing a few punches if they felt another unit had insulted them, but I never heard of any one saying the word Bloody Foreigners.

The Eagle Squadrons......Now America did say that they could stay together as a unit but then broke there word and split them up and any American that wanted to stay with the friends that he had made in the RAF was told that if he did not transfer he would be called up and spend the rest of the war as a private in the army losing all his rank. If he did not comply with the transfer they would lose their citizenship and would become stateless.
 
According to the video, whilst other pilots will start shooting from a range of 400 meters, the Polish pilots will cloose in to about 100 metres, and they will open up... what guts...!:salute:

Very much so Viper. Various pilots had their gun set to converge at various ranges that better suited their tactics.

Many people regard the Spitfire as the fighter that won the Battle of Britain, when in fact the Hawker Hurricane shot down 2/3rds of all enemy aircraft. She was the ugly duckling but she did her job.
 
Very much so Viper. Various pilots had their gun set to converge at various ranges that better suited their tactics.

Many people regard the Spitfire as the fighter that won the Battle of Britain, when in fact the Hawker Hurricane shot down 2/3rds of all enemy aircraft. She was the ugly duckling but she did her job.

Quite right, Mr Brit... It was the Hurricane that did shot down more Nazi planes than the Spit, but the Spit seems to epitomise the Spirit of Britain at tha time.

Considering the way the Hurricane was built- rather archaic, actually- it did its job, awesome...:rock:
 
Very much so Viper. Various pilots had their gun set to converge at various ranges that better suited their tactics.

Many people regard the Spitfire as the fighter that won the Battle of Britain, when in fact the Hawker Hurricane shot down 2/3rds of all enemy aircraft. She was the ugly duckling but she did her job.

A lot of pilots had their guns re-syncrhonised to converge at closer ranges to give them a better chance of hitting and bringing down the bombers.

The Spitfires and Hurricanes were armed with .303 Brownings (There were some Spitfires with an early 20mm cannon fit, but they were un-reliable) and the small rifle calibre required a lot of hits to bring down Heinkel 111s, Dornier 17s, Junkers 88s, etc.

The Messerschmitt Bf-109 and Bf-110s had 20mm cannons that would tear Spitfires and Hurricanes appart, and early on in the Battle, most RAF aircraft did not even have armour fitted for the pilot.

The Hurricanes were the unsung heroes of the fight, they were a more stable gun platform and not brought down more Germans than the Spitfire, but were the real bomber killers.
 
The reason more Germans were shot down by Hurricanes than Spitfires was quite simple, and that was because there were four times as many Hurricanes in the BoB than Spitfires. The Spitfires had been delayed becoming front line fighters due to the productions problems in the new type of design. If I remember rightly all the fighters had armour plate behind the pilot and a bullet proof windscreen on booth fighters even in the BoB. Also the Spitfires would take on the German fighter while the Hurricans went for the bombers which were an easier Target
 
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The reason more Germans were shot down by Hurricanes than Spitfires was quite simple, and that was because there were four times as many Hurricanes in the BoB than Spitfires. The Spitfires had been delayed becoming front line fighters due to the productions problems in the new type of design. If I remember rightly all the fighters had armour plate behind the pilot and a bullet proof windscreen on booth fighters even in the BoB. Also the Spitfires would take on the German fighter while the Hurricans went for the bombers which were an easier Target

Indeed the Hurricanes were easier to build. There were 32 Squadrons of Hurricanes compared to 19 of Spitfires.

Some Hurricanes were fitted with twelve 303's guns (Mk IIA Series 2 and were renamed Mark IIB in April 1941.) and some ( Mk IIB) were fitted with a 40mm gun in each wing called "The tank buster."

Even if she was a bit old fashioned she did a wonderful job.

As a matter of interest The children’s author Roald Dahl flew
Hurricanes for the RAF during the war.
 
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Dowding had to fight the Air Ministry to get armoured windscreens fitted to Spitfires and Hurricanes. In the end he said to the Minister of Aircraft production "If bullet proof glass is good enough for Chicago gangsters, then it should be good enough for my pilots!"

There was reluctance to fit back armour to the pilot's seat initially as some believed it would effect the centre of gravity of the aircraft and the extra weight would effect the performance of the aeroplane.
Only once shot down German aircraft were found to have seat armour, was there armour fitted to Spitfires and Hurricanes.

All this happened fairly early on in the Battle of France.
By the time the Battle of Britain was underway, the RAF fighters had armoured seats and windscreens.

Don't forget that at the start of the battle, some fighter squadrons were equipped with Gloster Gladiators, Bristol Blenheims and Boulton Paul Defiants. It wasn't all Spitfires and Hurricanes, and the actual first
Heinkel 111 shot down was by a Blackburn Skua of the Fleet Air Arm.
 
The Blackburn Skua was designed as a dive bomber, but was also used as a fighter. A very strange looking aeroplane.
 
The Defiant after surprising the Germans in France during 1940 and caught them out with turret was withdrawn during the BoB as the Germans would attack it head on where it was not armed and shot them down in droves and was quickly withdrawn and used tow targets. The Gladiator as far as I remember did not take part in BoB and was used as a training aircraft. If it was flying when a raid came in then it was soon sent in the opposite direction as trained aircrew at that time for the RAF was a valuable assert and was not to be wasted by attacking the German formation in a flimsy biplane with a fixed undercarriage. The Skua was little more that a lump of junk which the RAF had ordered for the Carriers when they had control of Naval airpower and this is reason that the Fleet Air Arm wound up flying the Gladiator for the early part of the war.
 
I need to correct myself.
it wasn't the Blackburn Skua, it was the Blackburn Roc.
This was the Fleet Air Arm's version of the Defiant, it to had a powered four gun turret as its. Sole gun armament and was vulnerable to head on attacks.
 
Very much so Viper. Various pilots had their gun set to converge at various ranges that better suited their tactics.

Many people regard the Spitfire as the fighter that won the Battle of Britain, when in fact the Hawker Hurricane shot down 2/3rds of all enemy aircraft. She was the ugly duckling but she did her job.

The Hurricane was a more stable gun platform than the Spitfire.
 
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