blocking the Strait of Hormuz possible or not possible? - Page 2




 
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March 27th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
The Strait of Hormuz is not just a strait, it is a lifeline for economies throughout the world. So even the slightest attempt to block it wil evolve in a destructive retaliation. I'm not going to try to explain how that conflict will evolve but what I do know is that Iranian Air Force, airfields and air defences will be destroyed in days. As will be their missile batteries and , en passant, their nuclear sites. There will be surprises. American ships will be hit as will oil installations. Some American planes will be shot down. But when Iranian ships and submarines (if they survive) come back to port for reloading and refeuling they will only find destruction. And no, there will be no American infantry in Iran besides some special forces on special assignments. A conflict about the Strait of Hormuz is a conflict against time. It will be quickly over.
March 28th, 2012  
hamidreza
 
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Yes, that is a very astute judgment and I couldn't agree with you more, but where it differs is the way in which they are executing those wars you speak of. Also,... even though the coalition slunk out of Iraq with their tail between their legs, I know which country suffered the most militarily and economically, and it was not the US.

If the US lands no troops on the ground and prosecute their war from afar destroying all vital infrastructure they effectively could turn Iran into a punching bag, with little ability to even endanger US forces.

However I feel that something like you suggest might make their Congress re-assess their thinking, and what is even scarier, is the fact that at the moment, the US is technically bankrupt,... but there is nothing in the world that will stir up an economy, like a nice big war.

The Iranians may do it,... but I think they would find that it would be a very bad move for them in the end. Virtually all of what you have said is true, but the crunch is, there are no "winners" in a war both sides lose in the end. It's just that I feel that in this case the Iranian people would lose far more than anyone else. There would be no 100s of thousands of dead in the USA, their country would not suffer the devastation and disruption of war.

Just think about it,....... The US may never "win", but Iran would certainly lose. It would be a stupid move.
Yes I agree and I have a better suggestion for US politicians. Is it good the US president find a country for example in ME and says to him:
You have two choices. You have to give us 2 billion dollars or we attack you with our B2, Cruise and strategic missiles from here and damage you more than 20 billion dollars in one week.
And the leader of that country says: absolutely the first choice is More advantageous. So give me your bank account quickly.
March 28th, 2012  
hamidreza
 
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The Strait of Hormuz is not just a strait, it is a lifeline for economies throughout the world. So even the slightest attempt to block it wil evolve in a destructive retaliation.
If Iran be attacked by US and her allies, the center of this war will be in Persian Gulf and then no tanker will dares to cross there. So The Persian Gulf will be blocked automatically before Iran want to or not. So the responsibility of blockage will be on US shoulders and the world countries blame west for that.
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I'm not going to try to explain how that conflict will evolve but what I do know is that Iranian Air Force, airfields and air defences will be destroyed in days. As will be their missile batteries and , en passant, their nuclear sites. There will be surprises. American ships will be hit as will oil installations. Some American planes will be shot down. But when Iranian ships and submarines (if they survive) come back to port for reloading and refeuling they will only find destruction. And no, there will be no American infantry in Iran besides some special forces on special assignments. A conflict about the Strait of Hormuz is a conflict against time. It will be quickly over.
Yes it is possible. Destroying Air-Force in the morning, Navy in the noon and the army at night, and the next day sunbath in Kish Island. But in Hollywood movies with iron mans or transformers. Not in a real war. As I heard from one of Iranian Revolutionary Guards commanders, at least 30000 of US soldiers will be killed in the first day of war. Their bases around us are the best target for our missiles.
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March 28th, 2012  
Chief Bones
 
 

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
The Strait of Hormuz is not just a strait, it is a lifeline for economies throughout the world. So even the slightest attempt to block it wil evolve in a destructive retaliation. I'm not going to try to explain how that conflict will evolve but what I do know is that Iranian Air Force, airfields and air defences will be destroyed in days. As will be their missile batteries and , en passant, their nuclear sites. There will be surprises. American ships will be hit as will oil installations. Some American planes will be shot down. But when Iranian ships and submarines (if they survive) come back to port for reloading and refeuling they will only find destruction. And no, there will be no American infantry in Iran besides some special forces on special assignments. A conflict about the Strait of Hormuz is a conflict against time. It will be quickly over.
I have to agree with you. In the short term, the strait 'may' be partially blocked by Iran, however, as you said, when the ships etc return to port for replenishing, they will only find complete devastation. During America's Civil War, Sherman mounted a scorched earth policy that would appear as a walk in the park compared to what would be the response to any attempt to block the strait by Iran. The sea highway that extends through the strait supplies way too much commerce to way too many countries for Iran to get away with a blockade of the strait. The forces that attack Iran afterwards, would be so great that Iran would have to claw their way back from the stone age. There wouldn't be even one single city of any size remaining after two or three days of allied bombing, rocket and missile attacks and shelling from off-shore.

Blockading the strait will only result in the complete and utter destruction of Iran.
March 28th, 2012  
KJ
 
 
Yeah....And "there are NO Americans in Iraq".. As that blubbering Iraqi idiot said on national TV while the Baghdad Int. Air port where crawling with coalition troops..

Seriously..Why do some people never learn?

I see this thing playing out like Seno explained it to you.
Iran will survive UNTILL the shooting starts.. After that..Not so much.
Should the US play it smart it wouldn´t cost that many lives either..Just dollars.
Bad enough, but well dollars can be replaced..

The great tradgedy would be what would happen to the Iraian civilians.
Their leaders wouldn´t give a **** and the west couldn´t afford to gamble on the straights being "closed".
That would be a severe endgame in the Iranaian sticks..

KJ sends..
March 28th, 2012  
Chief Bones
 
 

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Originally Posted by KJ
Yeah....And "there are NO Americans in Iraq".. As that blubbering Iraqi idiot said on national TV while the Baghdad Int. Air port where crawling with coalition troops..

Seriously..Why do some people never learn?

I see this thing playing out like Seno explained it to you.
Iran will survive UNTILL the shooting starts.. After that..Not so much.
Should the US play it smart it wouldn´t cost that many lives either..Just dollars.
Bad enough, but well dollars can be replaced..

The great tradgedy would be what would happen to the Iraian civilians.
Their leaders wouldn´t give a **** and the west couldn´t afford to gamble on the straights being "closed".
That would be a severe endgame in the Iranaian sticks..

KJ sends..
Every town and hamlet over 5,000 people, will be nothing but rubble 2-3 days after Iran uses force to blockade the strait. That is one you can take to the bank.

BTW - it won't just be Americans who will be pounding Iraqi targets. Every country that depends on the shipping that uses the strait will be putting in their two cents worth. They can't allow the blockade to interfere with the shipping that they depend on.
March 29th, 2012  
hamidreza
 
The result of war will be more terrible for them than they estimate. They need to forget that they can attack and then escape quickly. We are ready for the worst scenario and I am sure if they dared to attack Iran, it would be their first choice not last one. And I recommend you don’t run faster than your politicians or commanders. I heard from them hundreds times that they could attack to Iran but its consequences is unspecified and they might not be able to control it. Haven’t you heard?
March 29th, 2012  
Chief Bones
 
 

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Originally Posted by hamidreza
The result of war will be more terrible for them than they estimate. They need to forget that they can attack and then escape quickly. We are ready for the worst scenario and I am sure if they dared to attack Iran, it would be their first choice not last one. And I recommend you don’t run faster than your politicians or commanders. I heard from them hundreds times that they could attack to Iran but its consequences is unspecified and they might not be able to control it. Haven’t you heard?
I don't know what the heck you are trying to say.

IF Iran were to block the strait .. then the response of the rest of the free world and most of the countries that depend on the strait for their very survival, would be decisive and terrible.

Iran as a power in that part of the world would be at an end and they would have to claw their way back from a stone age level.

Anybody that thinks that Iran could survive an all out war with America, the rest of the allied countries and the countries that depend on the goods etc that are necessities for their very lives, are only lying to themselves.
March 29th, 2012  
42RM
 
The next Fred Flintstone movie would be made ​​in Iran.
The scenes would already be present.

I wonder if its not just about “Empty (Oil)barrels make the most noise”.
 


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