Biggest Blunders in Military History - Page 10




 
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March 22nd, 2005  
melkor the first
 

Topic: Gallipoli


I agree in part on the strategic aspects although with the caveat that one of the objectives was to buttress Russia. Considering the abilities of the allied commanders involved I'm not sure that had they diverted the troops in the way that you suggest that we would not be discussing an entirely different area of greatest blunders(not your suggestion, but how it would have been executed.)
March 23rd, 2005  
serbianpower
 

Topic: Re: Gallipoli


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Originally Posted by melkor the first
I agree in part on the strategic aspects although with the caveat that one of the objectives was to buttress Russia. Considering the abilities of the allied commanders involved I'm not sure that had they diverted the troops in the way that you suggest that we would not be discussing an entirely different area of greatest blunders(not your suggestion, but how it would have been executed.)
it would make relief to russia. there was railroad from salonika to serbian front. it was much harder to start campaign with afibious action when you do not have front that is formed. in serbia front was already formed, and serbian forces have pushed austro hungarians from their original positions although they were inferior in manpower and equipment. serbian army was smaler than the size of ally troops deployed on galliopli.
March 26th, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 

Topic: Re: Biggest Blunders


Quote:
Originally Posted by melkor the first
Churchill really doesn't deserve the blame for the Gallipoli Campaign- it would have succeeded had they landed(1) after the initial bombardment or (2) the commanders on the spot had moved and taken the heights when they did land. This same sort of inaction plagued the British in WW2 when they failed to capture Caen on D-Day and when they failed to secure the banks of the Scheldt. These failures were the direct causes of GOODWOOD and MARKET GARDEN- the twin howlers on Monty's reputation. As to the biggest blunders I'd like to mention the Romans Varus and Crassus who both managed to stop the Empires expansion and George Washington whose reputation as a military genius is based upon beting drunken Hessians and not on a study of his actual campaigns(The New York and Philadelphia campaigns are painful reading).Santa Anna( the Texan revolution and actions in the Mexican War)rivals Washington with the Alamo as his claim to fame and.,predating Hitler and Naploleon, Charles XII at Poltava.
The British Navy did not secure the Dardanelle Straits before the landings. They got belted by the Turkish shore guns.

Churchill new all this but he insisted on pressing ahead with the campaign.

As I understand it, the Australians were landed in the wrong spot. The terrain was generally all up hill.

Monty's efforts at Caen were disappointing but he did draw the main German armour away from the Americans who were relatively weak during the first several days of the Normandy landings. Rommel desparately wanted to "sink his teeth" into the Americans and drive them back into the sea but was unable to because of the pressure around Caen.
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March 28th, 2005  
AussieNick
 
Quote:
As I understand it, the Australians were landed in the wrong spot. The terrain was generally all up hill.
generally!!, bleedin' heck, it was ALL up hill. The diggers were landed at the base of cliffs, it doesn't get much more uphill than that.
March 29th, 2005  
Young Winston
 
 
Yes there were cliffs.

And gullies, scrub, and ridges.

Lets not forget the loss of life amongst the English, New Zealand and the French troops who fought there.

Even though the Turks were fighting from the heights, I believe they lost about 80,000 dead.
April 24th, 2005  
bush musketeer
 
 

Topic: landings


according to the vauge orders they were given they pretty much landed in the right general area. they were told to land "on beach between gaba tepe and fishermans hut" an area of 2 and a half miles. with the beach being divided into 8 landing places.
9th batt to clear gaba tepe and andersons knoll near third ridge.
5th batt hill971
6,7,8th battalions to clear fishermans hut, baby 700,battleship hill and chunuk bair.
10,11th batts to go over third ridge (gun ridge)
with 12th batt in reseve.

where they landed was so bloody rugged that any artillery that was landed could not get up most the bloody hills anyway and good artillery support was sumthing that was needed for them to get anywhere near there objectives.
looking at the map and terrain show just what an impossible task it was.
the north where they actually landed around plugges plateau the sphinx and walkers ridge and ari burnu. it is the sort of country mountaingoats have a hard time getting round with ridge lines gullies cliffs and the like.
April 24th, 2005  
Lord Londonderry
 
In Les Carlyon's book, Gallipoli, even the turks were surprised at where the ANZACS landed.
May 1st, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 

Topic: Re: landings


Quote:
Originally Posted by bush musketeer
according to the vauge orders they were given they pretty much landed in the right general area. they were told to land "on beach between gaba tepe and fishermans hut" an area of 2 and a half miles. with the beach being divided into 8 landing places.
9th batt to clear gaba tepe and andersons knoll near third ridge.
5th batt hill971
6,7,8th battalions to clear fishermans hut, baby 700,battleship hill and chunuk bair.
10,11th batts to go over third ridge (gun ridge)
with 12th batt in reseve.

where they landed was so bloody rugged that any artillery that was landed could not get up most the bloody hills anyway and good artillery support was sumthing that was needed for them to get anywhere near there objectives.
looking at the map and terrain show just what an impossible task it was.
the north where they actually landed around plugges plateau the sphinx and walkers ridge and ari burnu. it is the sort of country mountaingoats have a hard time getting round with ridge lines gullies cliffs and the like.
Certainly terrible country to fight in. They showed a lot of guts those ANZACS.
May 1st, 2005  
Arclight
 
From what I have read, which is little, Operation Barbarossa proved to be quite a blunder. The early stages of the operation proved very promising with the Luftwaffe wreaking havoc and whole Soviet armies taken prisoner. The blunder occurred with Hitler, against the views of his generals, ordering his attack south into the Ukraine region for its resources. The German command wanted to drive straight through Russia and take Moscow quickly. He had the chance to defeat the Russians, or at least strike a great blow to the country. This in turn would alleviate pressure on the Eastern Front, allowing more men to be diverted else where. By the time the Germans conquered the Ukraine and made their way close to Moscow, the Russian winter set in, stopping the Germans. I'm sure you know the rest.

In general, I think the biggest military blunder would be Hitler's involvement on the military side of things. Leave that to your generals and keep the state flourishing.
May 1st, 2005  
rkmac48
 
One overlooked blunder is the allowance of the media to portray America's efforts in the Vietnam War. They screwed it all up, and the battle of Soldier vs. Media was a crippling loss for our country.