Biden blames US allies in Middle East for rise of ISIS




 
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October 4th, 2014  
hamidreza
 

Topic: Biden blames US allies in Middle East for rise of ISIS


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US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria.
America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.
“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria.
“The outcome of such a policy now is more visible,” he said, as it turned out they supplied extremists from Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda.

All of a sudden the regional powers that sponsored anti-Assad rebels awakened to the dawn of a major international security threat in the face of ISIS – now called Islamic State. After being essentially thrown out of Iraq it found open space and territory in eastern Syria and established close ties with the Al-Nusra Front which the US had earlier declared a terrorist group.
Now Washington needs a coalition of Sunni states to fight the Islamic State because “America can't once again go in to Muslim nation and be the aggressor, it has to be led by Sunnis, to attack a Sunni organization [the IS],” Biden said, acknowledging that it is for the first time that the US uses a geopolitical strategy.
“Even if we wanted it to be, it cannot be our fight alone,” Biden said. “This cannot be turned into a US ground war against another Arab nation in the Middle East.”
“But of what I’m more astonished is of his apparent amnesia about what America and Britain were trying to ferment in Syria only a year ago. They were not only putting staff intelligence personnel on the ground, and providing logistical support to the rebels in Syria; they were spearheading the campaign to try to oust Assad, former MI5 agent Annie Machon told RT.
She added that “Perhaps, the Vice President is finally learning some lessons from history. It does not matter who you think your friends are going to be in the region. Very often they will be taken over or subsumed into a more radical group.”
http://rt.com/news/192880-biden-isis-us-allies/
October 4th, 2014  
tetvet
 
I think Uncle Joe is right on with this subject , the people in the mid-east have / had a problem they needed to address , the U.S. simply cannot afford them .
October 4th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria.
America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons towards anyone who would fight against Assad.

The above is from your quote Hamidreza. Here is what gets me. The greatest offensive capabilities ISIS has came from them obtaining US weapons from the disintegrating Iraqi army this spring - summer. Before this their ability to wage conventional offensive war was limited. So the whole thing is crazy. Whatever weapons they had before this were not of the same caliber.
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October 5th, 2014  
tetvet
 
I think Turkey if willing could be the Rock and the coalition could be the hammer , Turkey is one tough customer as they showed during the Korean war .
October 5th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
They are likely a good ally with a good military. However currently from what I understand they just want too tighten up the border, no mention of sending in troops.
They have been helping by housing 100's of thousands of Kurdish refugees.
October 6th, 2014  
hamidreza
 
without the US approval non of the US allies in the region was/is allowed to support extremists and now they accusing each other for their support ridiculously. It was clear for them and for us that they were supporting Al-Qaeda and extremists at that time. But they knew that how to say lie to the world by their propaganda system.
Now ISIS is such a big terrorist group( in fact the biggest terrorist group in the world ) that they cannot control it and they see it as a threaten for themselves. Now I think ISIS is a more dangerous group for Sunni states than Iran or Syria because ISIS has a lot of fans and supporters in Sunni states but not in Shia states like Iran, Iraq or Syria.
October 15th, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
I can sum up this culmination of blunders by both the U.S., as well as the Arab states backed by thereof in a short quote from Von Clausewitz:

"War is an extension of Politics, and Politics and extension of Economics".

Ever since Peak oil production hit the U.S. American interventionism in the Middle East has been conducted solely along the lines of pursuing easy oil access or eliminating all threats to the Petro Dollar ( protecting this one thing is paramount to most U.S. Foreign policy in the region.) in almost every circumstance.

The issue is we focus first ever time is on keeping both of these taps flowing moreover than dealing with the obvious aftermath of whatever mess we make in the process. ISIS just being the latest example.

In all honesty in 20 to 30 years after the Middle East Peaks, and if the U.S. is still economically viable , the American government will abandon the region, and it will devolve into bedlam. Or be controlled by a few major regional powers much how Russia bullies Eastern Europe around today.
November 9th, 2014  
Army0413
 
I'm think that Turkey, Syria, Iran and Israel will stand up and fight against IS then their are gone forever this terrorist's of Islam.
November 9th, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by Army0413
I'm think that Turkey, Syria, Iran and Israel will stand up and fight against IS then their are gone forever this terrorist's of Islam.

Those parties are a little too busy disagreeing on many key interest in regional affairs to realistically work together, ISIS would have to be bombing all three and field a million man army before you see the likes of Iran and Israel showing any sense of large scale co operation.
November 10th, 2014  
Army0413
 
IS don't win if these are involded in war against ISIS.

IS will have whole Middle East they do no can because they must lose of states of Israel, Libanon, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. No mouslims states in whole Middle East because there all ready mouslims there and with democraty.

We lives in 21th century and not in near 15th or 14th in koran story but in west and asia it's 21st century. The koran don't understanding the bibel. We live in 21th century but it's only in last of 2014.

2015 next year.

God and Jesus is two powerful in bibel.

Edit. Democraty is important after Hitler Germany wars. Their lose against USA, Sovjet and UK.
 


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