Best tank of WWII? - Page 8




View Poll Results :Which was the best?
M3 Grant/Lee 0 0%
M4 Sherman(FireFly version) 0 0%
T34/85 6 35.29%
Cromwell VII 0 0%
Churchill VII 0 0%
Panzer(PzKw) IVj 1 5.88%
Panther G 10 58.82%
Type 97(Oh well...) 0 0%
M15/42 0 0%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

 
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December 6th, 2005  
Obvious
 
 
The Best Tank depends on what you want, for instance, if you want a small army with quality, then go with the Tger tank, if you want cheap and massproduction tank, then go with the t34
December 6th, 2005  
Wheezcellbert
 
 
The T-34 Had a longer service record then the most and it went against the best the germans had to throw against it. This tank was awesome. It had a very good hit/kill ratio and kill/death ratio. After this tank appeared the Germans were scared shitless of it and were amazed to see their rounds bounce off of it. This tank was also very innovative in technology with its slanted armor. This tank turned the tide in the East.
December 6th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Wheezcellbert
The T-34 Had a longer service record then the most and it went against the best the germans had to throw against it. This tank was awesome. It had a very good hit/kill ratio and kill/death ratio. After this tank appeared the Germans were scared shitless of it and were amazed to see their rounds bounce off of it. This tank was also very innovative in technology with its slanted armor. This tank turned the tide in the East.
It didn't turn the tide but you're right, the Germans got a huge shock when their lead Panzer units first encountered the T-34 in July 1941. It is one of the most influential tank designs of all time but I actually think the best Soviet tank of WW2 was the IS-2/IS-3 heavy tank. I still think the Panther Ausf G is the best overall tank of WW2. It was the German T-34 in a sense.
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December 6th, 2005  
Wham-size
 
well i think the best tank is still the panzer IV g it was able to take on nearly all tank that includes the IS-2/IS-3 and win it had a lot for it it was reliable cos it design was done before the war it was tested for a long time and most faults were found a sovled.
when it was give the long 7.5cm L/48 gun it could outrange most allied tanks.
it had good armour protection with was upgrade as time what one like the metal skirt add to set of heat round and then being paint with anti magnetic paint to stop soviet anti teams put limp mine on it.
it speed was good and use not a lot of fuel when run it.
most allied crew that thought the saw a tiger normal saw a panzer IV
and in engagement most what up againest the panzer IV
that why i think the panzer IV is the bested ww2 tank
December 6th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by localgrizzly
Uhhhh,

If I remember correctly, the guys with the Tigers and Panthers really got their arse kicked real bad by the guys with the Shermans and T-34s.
Of the Sherman, the Germans often said: "A Tiger can kill 10 Sherman's, but unfortunately they always have an 11th." I've heard several variations on the same statement, but this is interesting because that was very close to the actual kill ratio on BOTH fronts, and all the praise to the T-34's design doesn't change the numbers. The Germans made better tanks and/or had better tank crews (probably a combination of both), but the Allies had massively overwhelming numbers. 11 tanks against one, who do you think will win?? Tank production by the UK+USA and the USSR both vastly outpaced the Germans, and fighting tank battles with those kinds of odds against you was not an uncommon thing.

BTW, noticed that the Sherman Firefly was listed for the poll. That particular version of the Sherman saw so close to nothing of WW2 battlefields that it can hardly qualify. Just thought I'd point that out.
December 6th, 2005  
Wham-size
 
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BTW, noticed that the Sherman Firefly was listed for the poll. That particular version of the Sherman saw so close to nothing of WW2 battlefields that it can hardly qualify. Just thought I'd point that out.
well may i point this out that it was used a lot but it in so few numbers
as you soon now it was a upgrade that the britsh did to the sherman and got a good gun put in to the sherman problem britsh industry in prices cos of 4 years of fighting so only limit number were able to be mod to this spec.
if the britsh army had there way and they could have they would have had everone of there sherman with the nice 17ponder in it far better then any US army anti gun. it could take out a tiger and tiger II name a other allied tank that could do that from the frontal armour you can't not ever a t-34/85 could unless it was very close.
so the bristh army did what they could they put every 4 tank in a there army as a firefly and they other three if done right were used to destract the german tank for it to let the firefly to get in to place.
so don't slag of the firefly it was about the only good sherman around
but still i think if german had just stuck with panzer IV and replcement part for damage tank they would have come of better.
it been said if thay had they would have made some thing like 20000 of them is stand of 8000 and most proably many sp versons.
December 6th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Wham-size
well i think the best tank is still the panzer IV g it was able to take on nearly all tank that includes the IS-2/IS-3 and win it had a lot for it it was reliable cos it design was done before the war it was tested for a long time and most faults were found a sovled.
when it was give the long 7.5cm L/48 gun it could outrange most allied tanks.
it had good armour protection with was upgrade as time what one like the metal skirt add to set of heat round and then being paint with anti magnetic paint to stop soviet anti teams put limp mine on it.
it speed was good and use not a lot of fuel when run it.
most allied crew that thought the saw a tiger normal saw a panzer IV
and in engagement most what up againest the panzer IV
that why i think the panzer IV is the bested ww2 tank
Guderian, when he became Inspector-General of Armoured Troops in 1943, wanted to halt production of ALL tanks except the Panzer IV, for many of the reasons you stated. However, he was directly overruled by Hitler. So your argument holds some weight.
December 7th, 2005  
Wheezcellbert
 
 
The main reason why the tank has my vote is because not only did it have a huge fear factor rating it was also able to be mass produced by the Russians. It was just an awesome tank. When the tank first came out the Germans tried numerous times to try and steal one to make their own varient of it, thats how fearful they were of it.
December 7th, 2005  
Wham-size
 
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When the tank first came out the Germans tried numerous times to try and steal one to make their own varient of it, thats how fearful they were of it.
they did steal it design and inprove on it in many ways it was the panther this tank is close to being the best ww2 tank but i say it not for the lack of them one thing to point out sevel countrys after the war produce the the panther as there main tank for some years includeing the french.
The german on there part did make some very good imporvement on the t-34. like move the turret back to make it more stable.
the used better sloping the the russian. and the gun was far better then the russian one ever the 8.5cm one in later models of t-34.
one of the thing that came from the disign was a the use of the 7.5cmL/70 gun and the turret used was well sloped.
there was a plan to mad a improved version of the panzer IV with the panther turret they were going to wide the body a like and make in long by add one more bogie wheel to it. they did make some prototypes and it seem to make a vast inprovement on a good disign it was going to start to go in to produce in the 1945 but it was stop when all panzer IV tank were sto that the chassis could be used for sp guns.
December 7th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The greatest evidence that the Panzer IV was not the greatest tank of WW2 is probably the German response to encountering the T34 on the battlefield. This does not change that fact that it was the most successful and dominant tank design of the war, but that must be creditted to Blitzkrieg tactics more than anything else.

As far as I'm aware, Michael Whitman is the foremost Tank Ace of WW2, and his tank was initially a Panzer IV but later it was Tiger I (up till he was killed in battle). Just an interesting fact, but since the Tiger I can't qualify for this poll, it makes little difference.