Best Squad Tactics of WW2 - Page 2




 
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April 2nd, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
heres some of chinese squad tactics used in special forces

however this tactic works in platoons


one heavy support squad, 2 assult squad, a squad of light infantry, 2 individual machinegunners, 3 snipers and 2 mortars


when defending it is done with luring the enemy into heavy support with asssult as the bait and an assult with light squad to enclose, mortars will support the defence


snipers will provide scouting and kills anyone who escapes the encirclement


tactics involve strategy and preplaning, a badly madeup squad can still defeat a well trained squad if strategy and goodp lannign is emphasized
April 3rd, 2005  
thegrinch073
 
 
If I am not mistaken, the marines had two BAR's but the army only had one per squad. I can not remeber the source of information. It was a couple months ago on the history channel I think.
April 5th, 2005  
Zucchini
 
I don't think that was the case.

The 5th Marine Division had 853 BAR's on Iwo Jima.

They may intended to have a SMG for each rifle squad, but they apparently fell far short of that as the division had just 49 Thompsons for the invasion.

They had 10,943 rifles.
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April 6th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucchini
I don't think that was the case.

The 5th Marine Division had 853 BAR's on Iwo Jima.

They may intended to have a SMG for each rifle squad, but they apparently fell far short of that as the division had just 49 Thompsons for the invasion.

They had 10,943 rifles.

The 1st (Edsons) Raiders and the 2nd (Carlsons)Raiders. Used 2 BAR's per fire team plus ethier a Thompson SMG or a Riesing SMG in each Fire Team. The remaining Marines were armed with 03 Springfields until the M1 Garand became available.

In 1945 the Thompsons were no longer the Standard Issue SMG due to cost and manufacturing time. The Standard Issue US SMG was the M3A1.A2, and A3 "Grease Gun". So while 5th MARDIV's TO&E my show 49 Tommy Guns you may rest assured that the other SMG's were Grease Guns. The 5th was a recently stood up Division. The availabilty of Thompsons at the time it was stood up would have been minimal. Most Thompsons available to the Marines were prewar manufacture and had been issued along with the Riesing Guns to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Marine Divisions "special attachments" i.e. Para Bn's, Raider Bn's, and Special Detachments.

The majority of the Thompsons manufactured during the War were issued to the Army/Allied Airborne, Ranger and Special Services formations in the ETO. So coupled with the adoption of the M1 Carbine in the Platoon Commander/ Support troop role and the loss of weapons due to Battle Loss. By 1944-45 the Thompson was a rare duck in the PTO.
April 6th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
What where the size of marine fireteams in WW2 and did they use the 2 fireteams to a squad configuration like mordern day?
April 6th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
The Raiders had 2- 7 man Fire Teams per squad. Because they were BAR heavy. The Regular Infantry had the standard 4 X 3 configuration for the most part.
April 12th, 2005  
gladius
 
If I'm not mistaken the difference between German and American squad tactics in WW II was the employment of the machine gun.

For the Germans the MG was the main weapon, the riflemen supported it.

The Americans on the other hand used the MG to support the riflemen.

Hard to say which is better.

I do like the idea of the MG as the main weapon.
July 24th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
British Squads always had a Bren Gun for fire support, the only difference being between the Allies and the Germans was the Germans had a belt fed gun and the British and many American had a magazine fed gun
September 25th, 2005  
Rosencrantz
 
Gladius!

I know, there is people who thinks that germans used LMG as a primary weapon supported by rifles. I do not know where this idea is coming from, but I think it's not correct. MG 34 and 42 are very bulky weapons, intended to give to rifle squad their own "heavy support weapon". Sure, you can run with it (and even shoot when running), but it's still lacks manoverability of MP, rifle or assault rifle. So, basicly it was riflemans business to kick out the enemy from trench. There was also iteresting change in squads organisation before summer offencive 1942. A new squad composition was:

- Shock team:
Squad leader
LMG
5 rifles
3 MP
- Support team
LMG
2 rifles
Sniper

So, there was 2 LMG's in the squad. In platoon there was 3 squads + HQ.