Best Political System

Ted said:
Don't wory Insight, if people on this forum would take other opinions as facts, this forum would die a silent and swift death! Since the posts are endless, you'll need a train load of facts to change minds and that too isn't always enough...:)

But are you totally opposed to the idea of political idea based on an concept? Don't you need this conceptual framework to start building your party and to sell your idea to the electorate? Off course your perfect (or not so perfect) vision will get bitten by the facts of live, but that is where you start to compromise.
And I reckon it was the will of the communist not to compromise on their idea that was the end of their political dream. Or maybe communism has no compromises; they see society but want it to fit their plan. I don't know, it's just my tuppence worth and don't take that as a fact either, because I'm interested in your thoughts!

Having had a post deleted due to my "biased opinion" I wanted to ensure I made it clear that I wasn't claiming to assert facts.

To answer your question....The utility of an ideology isn't whether it's ideal endstate is desireable, but whether its basic concepts can withstand the impact of reality without distorting the principles on which it is based.
 
major liability said:
North Korea isn't communism, it's a sick cult of personality ruled by a dictator.

Then what is communism? North Korea is just one more empirical example of the concept put to the test.

Since day one Marxists have lamented that every attempt at communism isn't the "real thing" and that if only the "real communists" were allowed to run things then it would all work.

I just wonder how many more millions have to die before people realize that "real" communism is nothing more than a sick cult when it is applied to the real world.
 
I'm not a communist and I hate communism, but I still don't believe North Korea is a good example of it.

I think it is just unable to prevent asshats from taking over and making it a dictatorship.

In other words,

USSR = bad
Sweden = good
 
Democratic Socialism is acctualy bad in some ways because almost all social programs are free but this means extremly high taxes and we all hate that.

If you strip down Fascist germany, no war, no holocaust, no racism, the core system of government and economics were bliss. Uneployment virtually disapeerd in Germany. So id have to say its the most effective political system.

I must agree with Rabs on this one. Altough the main reason why there was little unemployment is because everyone was empolyed in the war effert making weapons and stuff like that.

The other government that i think is a good system is the Canadian government (and no I'm not saying this just because I'm Canadian.) We generally have a good system that represents many political parties. Basicaly anyone can start a political party (some are extremly stupid though like the sex party, white guard (rasict party) things like that that have no chance in hell of getting elected for anything). There are the four main parties that have the best chance of having their representative become the Prime Minister, they are the Liberal party, NDP (New Democratic Party), Conservatives, and the Quebec Bloc. Then there there are eleven other parties that have the next best chance of getting in. Then after that there are the sub sub parties that will probably never get in but at least they can still try.

I will post a link that explains it all to you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Canada#Federal_political_parties

enjoy:thumb:
 
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Democratic Socialism is acctualy bad in some ways because almost all social programs are free but this means extremly high taxes and we all hate that.

You might hate it, but I am willing to pay this price so to maintain this system. (And I do.....)
 
Ted said:
You might hate it, but I am willing to pay this price so to maintain this system. (And I do.....)

Although thye majority of your countrymen don't agree with you... there must be a reason why they don't think the system is so totally perfect.
 
I think,there is no perfect system in this world.
Our only way is to keep making better each society of us by civilian.
 
Italian Guy said:
Although thye majority of your countrymen don't agree with you... there must be a reason why they don't think the system is so totally perfect.

Luckily I merely stated that I don't have a problem paying up and not that nobody has a problem with that. Of course there will be a lot of people who don't like paying the taxes. I'd prefer to pay less also, unfortunatly that seems an impossibility. The majority of my countrymen have a chance every 4 years to alter this. But the socialists are always one of the largerst political parties in the Netherlands. This indicates that, although many nag and complain, abolishing this is not an option.

So maybe many do hate the fact of paying so much, but why are they not doing something about it? They have the change and they do diddly. Is this because they know that when it is their turn, they too want the system intact?
 
Or maybe they believe the system they get in exchange for their taxes is not that perfect and it's starting to become a waste of public money. I mean that could be an explanation. I don't think the majority of Dutchmen are selfish and bad.
 
They know it isn't perfect, but it is probably the best we have. It's like democracy; a lot of people whine about but don't want it changed!
 
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