Beslan. What can be learned? - Page 2




 
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September 15th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
I think some of you blokes better study up on the Russian activities in Chechnya in the past before you start making "insightful" comments about the Beslan terrorists.
September 15th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by aussiejohn
I think some of you blokes better study up on the Russian activities in Chechnya in the past before you start making "insightful" comments about the Beslan terrorists.
so you mean they did the right thing?
September 16th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by aussiejohn
I think some of you blokes better study up on the Russian activities in Chechnya in the past before you start making "insightful" comments about the Beslan terrorists.
so you mean they did the right thing?

No one condones murder of innocent people but the history of Russian involvement in Chechnya is brutal and tragic. Evil doesn't just come out of a hole in the ground. Please do some research. There is plenty of information around on Stalin's treatment of the Chechnyan people in WW Two. Putan's policies and actions in the region are also well documented.

Treating the Beslen murders are some part of a world wide Islamic terrorist conspiracy is not going to solve the problems in the Northern Caucasus. It is an extremely complicated problem.
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September 16th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiejohn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snauhi
Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiejohn
I think some of you blokes better study up on the Russian activities in Chechnya in the past before you start making "insightful" comments about the Beslan terrorists.
so you mean they did the right thing?

No one condones murder of innocent people but the history of Russian involvement in Chechnya is brutal and tragic. Evil doesn't just come out of a hole in the ground. Please do some research. There is plenty of information around on Stalin's treatment of the Chechnyan people in WW Two. Putan's policies and actions in the region are also well documented.

Treating the Beslen murders are some part of a world wide Islamic terrorist conspiracy is not going to solve the problems in the Northern Caucasus. It is an extremely complicated problem.
Stalin did the right thing because if he wouldent send them away from Chechenya they would help Germans.
September 16th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
We call it collective guilt.

It probably upset the Chechnyans a little!
September 17th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Well Aussiejohn, there are two possibilities:
1.) Grant Chechnia their independence - This is going to go over like a pregnant polevaulter with the Russian people. They just went from being the 3rd largest nation in the world to having just over 1/3 of the US's population. Their not going to favor losing another chunk of Russia because they're likely to view this a continuation of Russia completely disolving.
2.) Chechnia must accept Russian rule - This is equally unlikely because of Russian brutality throughout history. Simply put, they don't want to be part of Russia anymore. They're going to continue to use any tactic they can to resist Russian rule.

So how do you solve this mess?
September 17th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Well Aussiejohn, there are two possibilities:
1.) Grant Chechnia their independence - This is going to go over like a pregnant polevaulter with the Russian people. They just went from being the 3rd largest nation in the world to having just over 1/3 of the US's population. Their not going to favor losing another chunk of Russia because they're likely to view this a continuation of Russia completely disolving.
2.) Chechnia must accept Russian rule - This is equally unlikely because of Russian brutality throughout history. Simply put, they don't want to be part of Russia anymore. They're going to continue to use any tactic they can to resist Russian rule.

So how do you solve this mess?
Thanks for the info.

Got no idea really.

I don't think the Russians have too many bright ideas either at present. They want to keep it internal. Not sure that is going to work.

Murder and terrorism are so entrenched with these issues. Similar to the Palestinian problem.
September 17th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
I do think that the involvement of other Arabic terrorist organization in the whole Chechnia affair is going to piss off Russia in the long run. Obviously the Beslan affair was primarily Chechnian, but if the Arabic world is unable to suppress their own extremist wackos rather than patting them on the back, then the Arabic world is going to have some seriously disagreeable Russians in the near future.
September 17th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
Putan would be very happy to over emphasize the Arab influence in the northern Caucasus to distract attention from past policy failures.
September 17th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
That's precisely why the Arabic world at large needs to be VERY careful about. Currently, Russia is not out to get them. That can change very quickly if Russia can see them being part of the Chechnia problem. If Russia is in for terrorist hunting in the Middle East ... things could get messy.