Originally Posted by senojekips

Shotguns are not "specifically" banned, however they do contravene the convention when used against personnel, in that: The Hague Convention of 1899 (and subsequently the International Humanitarian Law (drawn up at the Geneva Convention) in 1949 ratified by the USA on 2 Aug. 1955 ) forbade the use of expanding, deformable bullets in wartime, this specifically states that small arms ammunition will be of a metal jacketed type so as not to cause unnecessary suffering.

United States along with many other countries became signatories on 12 Aug 1949 http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?...rm&id=375&ps=P and subsequently introduced a "Declaration of Reservation" in 1957 http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/D6B...0?OpenDocumentto allow such things as the death penalty.

Nowhere has the USA reserved the right too use shotguns as a weapon of war.

interesting, "trenchguns" as they used to be called eh

The Hague Convention of 1899 wasn't that specific, wich again opened up for the use of poison, gas, trenchguns, and different other horrible weapons during WW I.
Since WW I was the war to end all wars, nobody saw the need for a new convention before WW II broke out.

The Geneva Convention did a lot to put that thing straight, but alas, in some parts of the world it's just an unread pice of paper..

A little off-topic, but Norwegian patrol vehicles in Kosovo used to be equiped with at least one pump-action shotgun, but that was merely for disposal of stray dogs on the consern of rabies.

Originally Posted by 84RFK

The Hague Convention of 1899 wasn't that specific, wich again opened up for the use of poison, gas, trenchguns, and different other horrible weapons during WW I.
Since WW I was the war to end all wars, nobody saw the need for a new convention before WW II broke out.

The Geneva Convention did a lot to put that thing straight, but alas, in some parts of the world it's just an unread pice of paper..

A little off-topic, but Norwegian patrol vehicles in Kosovo used to be equiped with at least one pump-action shotgun, but that was merely for disposal of stray dogs on the consern of rabies.

ah, understandable, they didn't think it was necessary.

I find it ironic that FMJ rounds that go right through and leave you alive and suffering are considered more humane than expanding bullets that kill quickly.

it's war...exactly it's war.

Originally Posted by major liability

I find it ironic that FMJ rounds that go right through and leave you alive and suffering are considered more humane than expanding bullets that kill quickly.

Eh, well...

As a matter of fact it's not so that ALL bullets of the FMJ type does that.
There are several types, specially designed or unintentionally made unstabile, that starts spinning like a propeller after entering soft tissue, and you can imagine what a hole (and cavity) they can create...

Besides, even the FMJ's that goes straight through the body does in most cases hit some bones inside the body, and they make up for excellent shrapnell too..

FMJ baby

Shooting at a medic is considered illegal in regards to the Geniva (sp) Convention, but medics are still targeted.

it's a war, i mean what do you expect?

I wonder why we even bother with it when I can't remember the last opposing force who actually honored any of it.