It could be that the US Army is trained in bayonet fighting using the M-16 rifle that the M-16 is still in use today.

If you have a new type of rifle, you have to train the soldiers to fight differently using that new weapon. And it may not be as effective as the M-16 which has a good butt and a long strong barrel.

"Few men are killed by the bayonet, many are scared by it. Bayonets should be fixed when the fire fight starts"
- General George Patton Jr, "War as I knew it" 1947

Found this quote here:
http://www.military-quotes.com/Patton.htm

BAYONET is simply a part of the training.

Even Chinese Type-95 got a BAYONET on it:

preferably a longer bayonet then the enemy has would be good.
the enfeild no4 short spike bayonet was unpopular in new guinea thanks to the japs having a long sword bayonet that was about two or three times it length.

Originally Posted by SAINT

So you think bayonet fighting is important?

I believe that this thread may answer your question...
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...pic.php?t=1976

In the jungles bayonet fighting has it's purpose, in built up (urban) areas it does not. Fighting in the city and in buildings is fast and furious fighting no doubt. But with the right kind of training, there would never be a need for a bayonet. Besides it makes your rifle that much longer and harder to manuever through buildigns with. I would like to see the military start training people in SWAT team tactics. A highly trained and well disciplined SWAT team could teach some excellent MOUT ( Military Operations in Urban Terrain) courses to the military.

Bayonet figting may not seem useful... until you run out of ammo...
This happened to my SAI (senior army instructor), luckily he still had some grenades...

Originally Posted by Rotty261

I would like to see the military start training people in SWAT team tactics. A highly trained and well disciplined SWAT team could teach some excellent MOUT ( Military Operations in Urban Terrain) courses to the military.

Not quite. Law Enforcement is a completely different animal than the military. We may use some of the same tactics in certain situations, but we have different goals, different tools and different skills sets. A LE tactics team can teach the military very little concerning military operations.

Not quite. Law Enforcement is a completely different animal than the military. We may use some of the same tactics in certain situations, but we have different goals, different tools and different skills sets. A LE tactics team can teach the military very little concerning military operations.

I have been on a military SWAT team and served in overseas combat situations and the tactics are quite the same in small scale urban conflicts. The military and civilian LE teams use a lot of the same tools and while different goals are sometimes sought after the end solution is always the same, eliminate the threat and bring home all the good guys. I have trained extensively with civilian police agencies while in the military and the skills that are wanted are equal. An experienced SWAT team could teach young inexperienced military members a lot of things that could help make the missions more successful and keep them out of harms way. How to quickly and effectively breach doorways, enter rooms, avoid the fatal funnel, and general overall small teams tactics.

Originally Posted by Rotty261

I have been on a military SWAT team and served in overseas combat situations and the tactics are quite the same in small scale urban conflicts. The military and civilian LE teams use a lot of the same tools and while different goals are sometimes sought after the end solution is always the same, eliminate the threat and bring home all the good guys. I have trained extensively with civilian police agencies while in the military and the skills that are wanted are equal. An experienced SWAT team could teach young inexperienced military members a lot of things that could help make the missions more successful and keep them out of harms way. How to quickly and effectively breach doorways, enter rooms, avoid the fatal funnel, and general overall small teams tactics.

I have to disagree with you. In my 20+ years in the military, I've trained with and also trained several LE special tactics and rescue units. Law Enforcement and military are at completely different ends of the spectrum. Allowing a "SWAT cop" to train your basic infantryman would be a mistake that could eventually cost lives. We have different SOPs, we have different rules and we have different goals. All of these things must be taken into consideration when teaching even the most basic of tactics. Different mindsets.

Nonetheless, I seemed to have steered us on an off topic course. This discussion is perhaps better saved for another topic.