Battle of Berlin




 
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January 27th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 

Topic: Battle of Berlin


This battle if often phased and being placed as the final battle of european front

however, how little do we know about htis battle, very little

in some cases russians suffered a huge casulty

in some cases they invaded wiht breeze

anyone care to tell me how the soviets performed and how the germans defended?
January 27th, 2005  
Vitaly
 
The Russians were massacred and many lives were lost. City was in ruins. Considered worst street fighting ever. Even youths took up arms. Overall very sad. Battle was more symbolic and useful for Communist propaganda than anything else. Taking Berlin had little "real" strategic advantages.
January 27th, 2005  
SAINT
 
if you want to feel the heat of battle...
play CALL OF DUTY 8)
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January 27th, 2005  
Anya1982
 
 

Topic: ha ha ha ha


<< sits quietly whistling the "great escape" tune.............
January 27th, 2005  
redcoat
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitaly
The Russians were massacred
While Soviets did suffer heavy casualties approx, 80,000 dead, the German losses were far worse at around 150,000 dead (this doesn't include civilian casualties )
January 27th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by redcoat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitaly
The Russians were massacred
While Soviets did suffer heavy casualties approx, 80,000 dead, the German losses were far worse at around 150,000 dead (this doesn't include civilian casualties )
It was my understanding that the German casualty figures included civilian casualties, as can be seen in the following link, near the foot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

Much of the German strength was comprised of the Volkssturm and Hitler Youth, neither of which could be considered front line formations in any sense of the word.

If the Volkssturm, Hitler Youth and civilian casualties are removed, it can be seen that the Red Army suffered much heavier casualties than the regular Wehrmacht. There was very fierce hand-to-hand fighting as the Germans, especially the Waffen SS and Hitler Youth, were fighting for ideological reasons still and of course all Germans were fighting with fierce national pride at stake.

Overall the Red Army achieved their objectives, but they suffered heavy casualties partly due to inspired German defence on the approaches to Berlin and partly due to operational Soviet tactics which was to rely heavily on brute force to achieve objectives.
January 27th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The most important thing to remember about the Battle of Berlin is this: the Russians rushed when they didn't need to and as a result they took many unnecessary casualties.

Considering the overwhelming numbers the Russians had, the proportionate losses should have looked a lot better than it did.
January 28th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
from a strategic point of view, it is a successful siege

from a personal point of view, if i was a russian soldier after 5 years of fighting the germans and just alive, i wouldnt be very happy to be dead in the final battle

apparently from what ive read the russians overestimated themselves, especially zhukov, whos front forces crushed through seelow heights: the first defence line was lightly defended where most soviet shells had been dropped at, the soviet tanks forces met their rresistance in the second line of defence, in which heavy unneccary casulties were caused because the soviets had gone to a frontal assult

overall the street fighting was bad, sometimes worse than stalingrad, for example, 203mm guns were brought up to gundown buildings and flak towers in direct point blank range

what wouldve happened if hitler never suggest lauching the ardenne offensive, he couldve saved a couple ss units and they wouldve been murderous on the soviet sin berlin
January 29th, 2005  
Warwick
 
I seem to remember the two massive concrete Flak towers provided the last scenes of resistance.
Being strongly built and well defended.
One was situated at the Berlin zoo not sure where the other was.
January 31st, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
ive heard that a flak tower had stoppe an entire compnay of SPGS