Battle of the Battleships - Page 5

View Poll Results :Which Battleship would you like to have been on in a battle?
New Jersey (Iowa etc) 22 37.93%
Hood 1 1.72%
Graf Spee 0 0%
Vanguard 0 0%
Texas 2 3.45%
Bismarck/Tirpitz 9 15.52%
King George V (Anson etc) 1 1.72%
Yamato (big mf) 18 31.03%
Nelson/Rodney 1 1.72%
Original Dreadnought 4 6.90%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

May 5th, 2006  
G Connor
You're debating which was the best of a bad lot. They all ended up being targets for aircraft. The Bismark's transition to fish farms was facilitated by fabric-covered "Stringbags". Same was true of the Yamoto only the executioner that day were the more robust products of American aviation.
May 6th, 2006  
I think the discussion is strictly hypothetic, obviously WWII signaled the end of the armored battlewagon.
May 8th, 2006  
I really think that if the Yamato had a proper escort, with effective air cover and enough fuel and ammunition, she could have made the US admirals wet their collective pants. The only ships they had that could stand up to her and the Musashi were the Iowa class, and I am not sure how well they would have survived one or two hits from the Yamato's 18 inch guns. As it was, the Yamato was virtually defenseless against the aircraft attacking her and it took 18 bombs and 13 torpedoes (or was it 13 bombs and 18 torpedoes) to send her to the bottom. There are very few ships that could take that kind of punishment and still float, and I am not sure if the Iowa class is among them.


For those of you who were thinking that Yamato was disadvantaged by her poor fire control, I found this at .

Both of the YAMATO's forward turrets open fire at a distance of 20 miles. Of her six forward rifles only two are initially loaded with AP shells, the remainder with Type 3s. The YAMATO's F1M2 "Pete" spotter plane confirms that the first salvo is a hit. The carrier starts to smoke. Three six-gun salvos are fired on the same target, then the fire is shifted to the next carrier. It is concealed immediately by a smoke screen made by the American destroyers.

First salvo hit at 20 miles?!!!?!?
May 8th, 2006  
Charge 7
Well according to the US Navy, it was Japanese cruisers who took out USS Gambier Bay. Yamato never hit it.

(and dozens of other sources)
May 8th, 2006  
Hmm, which class saw action in Desert Storm? nuff said.
May 8th, 2006  
I voted Bismarck. I like her looks and it was quite a machine. I don't know what to believe about her descend into the deep blue. One of these little submachines filmed the hull and the hole in the hull looked like scuttling. The hole bent outward and not inward.... but it was am awesome marine, and the entire British fleet didn't go after her because it was a tin cup!
May 8th, 2006  
Dean I agree

The very fact is this, the IJN Yamato armor was designed to withstand 16" shell hits, there is not a ship aflot in WWII that could have withstood a direct hit from a 18" shell, including the Iowa class. It would be like a hot knife through butter.
May 11th, 2006  
I used to like HMS Nelson, as a battleship, rather different design to the normal Battleships.
May 12th, 2006  
The original Dreadnought for me. What a grand old ship.
Although if the Warspite was on the list it would have been my choice.
May 12th, 2006  
Charge 7
This is for those of you who think that Bismarck was all that great. I remembered some of this so I decided to look it up. This is from The History Of The World's Warships (page 114) by Christopher Chant, ISBN 0-7858-1169-9.

The two Gneisenau-class battlecruisers were followed by the two Bismarck-class battleships. These were designed and built with commendable speed on the basis of theoretical work which German naval architects had completed during the period in which Germany was prohibited from the construction of warships displacing more than 10,000 tons, but reflected the fact that Germany was short of practical experience in the design, construction and use of modern battleships. The most important aspect of this limitation was that the basic hull concept of the WWI Baden-class was reused, albeit in a more refined form with a greater length/beam ratio to allow a higher speed. Considerable development of the basic hull allowed the incorporation of much improved underwater protection and a considerably enhanced armament fit, which now comprised a main battery of eight 15 inch (380 mm) main guns in two pairs of superfiring twin turrets, a secondary battery of twelve 5.9 inch (150 mm) guns in six twin turrets, and a tertiary battery of sixteen 4.1 inch (105 mm) anti-aircraft guns in eight twin turrets complemented by large numbers of 37 and 20 mm cannon wherever deck space could be found; but the basic obsolescence of the hull was evident in the poor protection provided for the rudders and associated steering gear, the location of the main armoured deck toward the bottom edge of the armoured belt at a time when other countries, drawing on experience in the destruction of older battleships (including German ships surrendered at the end of World War I), had moved this to a position farther up the belt to provide better protection for communications and data transmission systems. Both of these faults played a decisive part in the eventual loss of the Bismarck. Three other weak points were the provision of of seperate low-angle secondary and high-angle tertiary batteries, making extensive demands on deck area and displacement, as a result of Germany's failure to keep abreast of the latest developments in dual-pupose ship's armament, the indifferent quality of armour that was designed to be proof against penetration by 15 inch (380 mm) fire in its key areas but was in fact penetrated by 8 inch (203 mm) fire, and the poor quality of the 15 inch (380 mm) shells, which often failed to detonate.