Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
senojekips
Active member
I don't know that he has actually "earned" it, however I do feel that it was given in recognition to his services to peace, in that he replaced GWB, giving some hope to to the world. All he has to do now is live up to people's expectations.
03USMC
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Sorry don't see how Obama getting the Prize does the US "as a whole" any good. Nor do I see how it should effect the GOP or any other political party in the US.
Last I checked European Socialists, Latin American Socialists, Chinese Communists, and Middle Eastern Jihadists don't vote in US elections.....at least right now.
US political parties will focus on the US voters not the outside world' when it comes to being elected and maintaining or expanding their power.
Last I checked European Socialists, Latin American Socialists, Chinese Communists, and Middle Eastern Jihadists don't vote in US elections.....at least right now.
US political parties will focus on the US voters not the outside world' when it comes to being elected and maintaining or expanding their power.
Rob Henderson
Banned
It effects the GOP because CLEARLY doing things the way they were done during the last administration did't work. It's sort of a lead by example kinda deal...
No, they don't... But Americans who see their country going down the tubes, led by the president with the worst approval ratings EVER, DO vote in US elections. As indicated by... Obama's winning.
Because that worked so well for the GOP this past election. *rolls eyes*
03USMC
Active member
Roll your eyes all you want.
The fact of the matter is that any party who's platform is convincing the average american that they should vote in a canidate because it would good for the rest of the world is gonna be a hard row to hoe.
Doubtless there are some liberal elites who buy that line of thought but Joe Citizen wants results at home not world adulation.
Before you say Obama convinced them of that.....he didn't. He rode a wave of Anti-Bush Anti- Republican wave in. If he does not produce he'll ride his own wave out. No matter how many prizes he wins and the world adulation he gets, no results he becomes a former President.
The fact of the matter is that any party who's platform is convincing the average american that they should vote in a canidate because it would good for the rest of the world is gonna be a hard row to hoe.
Doubtless there are some liberal elites who buy that line of thought but Joe Citizen wants results at home not world adulation.
Before you say Obama convinced them of that.....he didn't. He rode a wave of Anti-Bush Anti- Republican wave in. If he does not produce he'll ride his own wave out. No matter how many prizes he wins and the world adulation he gets, no results he becomes a former President.
mmarsh
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Because it makes us look good that why, and thanks principally to the last joker we had as president, our image could use all the help it can get deserved or not!
The fact Obama won the Nobel improves our national image abroad and we need that because it makes other countries more likely to cooperate when we ask them to. We might like to kid ourselves into thinking we dont need anybodys help, but we are far more dependent on other countries than we realize or want to admit. Iraq might have gone abit better for us had Bush not treated the Europeans like a pathetic joke, the conclusion of which was the joke being on him. I mean don't you remember how embarrassing it was to watch Bush grovel at Jacques Chirac and Angela Merkels feet for aid in Iraq 8 months after he told them to f*** off? When a president embarrasses himself like that, he embarrassed all of us by proxy.
Obama is immensely popular in other countries, and this increases his popularity. Countries want to help popular people. Some let him have his accolade, deserved or not its only helps us in the long run.
As I said the only people truly miserable about this are the Taliban, Hugo Chavez (according to George) and the Republican party whom I am convinced (judging from their reactions lately) hate Obama more then they love America.
I am not going to lose any sleep over any of them.
03USMC
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marsh. With the economy in the crapper, unemployment on the rise, a stimulis thats a bad joke, two hot wars and a couple luke warm ones going at verying degrees of intensity. Does the average american give a *hit about Obama winning a freakin prize?
Okay you hold this in high regard, fine glad you have something to pin your hopes too. Your a minority in that regard most people I know had a WTF moment when they heard it, including my lib family members....it's a sham award that IMHO opinion was awarded in order to make Obama beholden to the European POV in A'stan and other theaters he's now a designated man of peace and they will hold him to it.Meanwhile violence and casualties in stan are on the upswing, remote FOB'S are being abandoned and overrun all while a recomendation from the theater CG (picked by Obama) remains on the waffel iron in the Oval Office.
Okay you hold this in high regard, fine glad you have something to pin your hopes too. Your a minority in that regard most people I know had a WTF moment when they heard it, including my lib family members....it's a sham award that IMHO opinion was awarded in order to make Obama beholden to the European POV in A'stan and other theaters he's now a designated man of peace and they will hold him to it.Meanwhile violence and casualties in stan are on the upswing, remote FOB'S are being abandoned and overrun all while a recomendation from the theater CG (picked by Obama) remains on the waffel iron in the Oval Office.
They wasted a Nobel peace prize, after 8 years with a man they all hated Crusty the Clown could have won the Nobel peace Prize.
Obama hasn't made peace with anybody yet, hasn't solved any economy problems yet, and I don't give a crap what he says about our economy, the depression is still going strong.
Obama hasn't made peace with anybody yet, hasn't solved any economy problems yet, and I don't give a crap what he says about our economy, the depression is still going strong.
Rob Henderson
Banned
It's not JUST the rest of the world he's trying to help... He's also doing SOMETHING (again, more than our last President) to help out at home... The economic consequences of an administration don't usually kick in until the NEXT administration. That's just the way it goes. We'll see how much Obama truly helped (or hurt) the economy in a few years.
Bush sucking the big one didn't hurt Obama's chances, but Obama would've had a GREAT chance regardless if the past administration had been a sucess or failure. It was just a more convincing win this way... It would've been closer if GWB had been even semi-successful. But Obama still had to convince people he was the best candidate for the job... I was sold when I found out John McCain voted WITH Bush over 90% of the time... But there were a lot of people who he still had to prove himself to. You're right... If he doesn't produce, he'll probably lose the next one... But I'll still vote for him, because he deserves A CHANCE. He deserves an unbiased turn at being the president. He deserves to be treated fairly.
You wanna know what the really sad/crazy/pathetic/unfortunate thing is?
No one has asked me about my views on his winning the actual prize... It just turned into an anti-Obama thread so fast that I didn't have a chance to even comment on it.
So... For what it's worth... I don't think he should've received the award. It should be given for successful action, not JUST good intentions.
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The Other Guy
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What exactly did Reagan or Thatcher do to promote peace? Ghandi, I admit, I don't understand why he didn't win. But seriously, Reagan?
Chukpike
Banned
How about this?
"We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" quote President Ronald Regan
29 months after this speech in Berlin the wall came down.
mmarsh
Active member
I would say "yes", because in a time when the news is universally bad, alittle good news is always welcome, and this is good news whether people
want to believe it or not. Its not hugely important, I would have prefered better economic news, but nobody has ever gone to hell for winning the Nobel Peace Prize have they?
You could say the same think when the Yankees win the World Series this year can't you? I mean the fact that their eventual win won't solve any major national problems, but it will bring alot of smiles on peoples faces, (at least in New York it will
). Would you deny the people in New York our Yankee pride even though winning the world series didnt solve the countries problems?Secondly, all the events you mentioned (wars, economy, unemployment etc) didnt happen on Obama's watch. Nor has Obama been in Office long enough to adaquetly address those issues. Nor do some of the issues (like the economy) have any baring whatsoever on the PEACE prize.
If you saw my reply to TI I posted a video as to why exactly the committee selected Obama, and it had nothing to do with Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy or anything else you mentioned. Its given to people who contribute to WORLD peace. In Obama's case it was due to his work on reducing nuclear weapons and a lessening of hostilities between the US and the rest of the world. Both of which are true.
And frankly, the Nobel is Swede-Norweigan award and they can give it to whoever they please. Whether you, the entire US, the entire world even, think differently is irrevelent. Even Obama himself, has absolutely no input on either his nomination or the fact he won.
Reagan basicly ended the Cold War by out spending the Russians & bankrupting them.
Apparently 10 Americans won a Nobel Prize & one was given one this year! Yay!
mmarsh
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He bankrupted us too, took us until the late 1990's years to pay off the deficiets he spent on defense. The Soviet Union was doomed much before Reagan took Office, and yes Regean played a part but it would have collapsed anyway -it just happened to do so under Reagan. Nobody but the GOP actually believes the myth that Lord Ronnie wielding Excalibur single-handedly slew the Soviet Dragon..while suffering from Alzhiemers no less.
Your second sentence doesnt make any sense.
Chukpike
Banned
Amazing a man who was President for eight years had nothing to do with the ending of the cold war.
A man who has been in office for 8 months brings world peace? He deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because it makes people feel good.
Sounds like leftist propaganda.
"In Obama's case it was due to his work on reducing nuclear weapons and a lessening of hostilities between the US and the rest of the world. Both of which are true." quote mmarsh
I know this is a waste of time asking for sources, as it no longer seems to be a requirement when asked. I would like sources for President Obama's work on reducing Nuclear Weapons?
That is an out right lie and you know it. Any treaty he could have signed to reduce Nuclear Weapons would be based on work done by others.
Rob Henderson
Banned
He hasn't BROUGHT world peace... But he's ATTEMPTING to. He's being praised for his actions thusfar in his presidency, and (I hate to sound like a broken record, but for the sake of maybe getting through to someone, I will) after our last atrocity of a POTUS, it's a refreshing change. Clearly someone in the world thinks the same thing and is willing to reward that action.
Here you are, Chukpike... "The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts at dialogue to solve complex global problems, including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/nobel.peace.prize/index.html
Chukpike
Banned
The quote from CNN is not a source showing any work that President Obama has done towards reducing Nuclear Weapons as mmarsh stated.
The Nobel Prize commitee present it as what he might accomplish. mmarsh statement is simply not true and cannot be supported as fact.
Rob Henderson
Banned
The prize was awarded based on his dialogue. Or is dialogue not considered working towards it?
mmarsh said that he was WORKING on it... Not that he had ACCOMPLISHED it.
Don't you LOVE semantics?
Chukpike
Banned
The prize was awarded based on his dialogue. Or is dialogue not considered working towards it?
mmarsh said that he was WORKING on it... Not that he had ACCOMPLISHED it.
Don't you LOVE semantics?
No Rob that is not what mmarsh said. Here is what he said verbatim:
"In Obama's case it was due to his work on reducing nuclear weapons and a lessening of hostilities between the US and the rest of the world. Both of which are true." quote mmarsh
Does not say his dialog, does not say he was working on it.
A statement based on what he did prior to receiving the award.
What has he done to lessen hostilities? Currently looking like he will increase further, beyond what he has all ready done in Afghanistan.
mmarsh simply made a completely untrue statement, and no matter how much you stick up and try and cover up for him, that is not going to change.
Quite simply, President Obama may well during his Presidency accomplish things he will be proud of. Do not believe he thinks this was warranted by his own statements to the press.