http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/me...ion/index.html

this consitution is not loved by Sunni and even Kurds, and they have the power to veto it since only the majority of people in 4 provinces will be enough to defeat the consititution.

and this crap has came out even after 3 times of extension of deadline.

this is really going to leave some serious problems.

My friend, although I dislike to open an argument here but i guess you made your point in another thread.

I'm afraid your right. If the Shites and Kurds cannot get the Sunnis on board there going to be trouble. There have already been skirmishes between the two ethnic groups.

On top of it you have Zarquwi (sp?) that has open stated that his vision of Iraq doesn't include the Shiites. Lets face it alot of Sunni are loath to have to deal with Shiites on equal terms, its century old ethnic hatred and declaring democracy and writing a constitutuition isnt going to change it.

I think the only thing thats going to keep all sides in line is a central strongman. Someone like Hosni Mobarak. Someone in the grey area between dictator and president. I could be wrong, but just dont think think the Iraqis are ready for a real democracy. There is no precedent for it in the Arab world and being served one by the US Government simply isnt going to be tolerated.

Sunnis are slowly but effectively starting to join the process in Iraq.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?fee...tion-1stld.xml

Originally Posted by Italian Guy

Sunnis are slowly but effectively starting to join the process in Iraq.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?fee...tion-1stld.xml

are you sure?
sunni leaders openly call the consititution illegal and they will do anything to veto it.

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

are you sure?
sunni leaders openly call the consititution illegal and they will do anything to veto it.

Some of them, not all. Sunnis clerics don't have power over each other so it's up to who you want to listen to.

Originally Posted by Italian Guy

Some of them, not all. Sunnis clerics don't have power over each other so it's up to who you want to listen to.

I think there is a split in the Sunnis between those who are willing to deal but are not happy with the current constitution (want a bigger piece of the pie) and those who want back the good old days of Saddam and will oppose anything other then total power.

Exactly, but then it's good news, because as of like a couple of months ago no Sunni expressed any interest in joining. Now it means the process is slowly but effectively developing.

sadly, a piece of consititution will be vetoed if majority of people in three four provinces are against it. Sunnis are capable of doing that.

It seems all Sunni leaders were present when they denounced the consititution as illegal. and we are not sure who else are against it because the government didn't dare to put the consititution foward to the committee to vote.

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

sadly, a piece of consititution will be vetoed if majority of people in three four provinces are against it. Sunnis are capable of doing that.

It seems all Sunni leaders were present when they denounced the consititution as illegal. and we are not sure who else are against it because the government didn't dare to put the consititution foward to the committee to vote.

But a referendum will be held on the Constitution.